Warwick Mafia VII: Leader's Royale (GAME OVER)

Cba to read it? I guess you probably aren’t the only one judging by the responses. And I’d be happy for Ben to sub in so he could knock some sense into y’all. I don’t think most of what I write is fluff. It’s contributions mixed with defending myself from this sudden wagon of half the game’s players.

So when HououinKyouma suggests a flavour claim it’s a great idea that everyone else follows through on but when I suggest it it’s silly and useless and counts against me??? I’m feeling salty as fuck.

And Arnie nominating yourself as a potential D1 eliminate? My conventional wisdom tells me there can’t ever be anything good about that.

Zaiden: I actually didn't suggest the flavour claim. It was Sam. Then Kate followed along, and so I did too since I decided it wasn't too bad.
Note to all that we shouldn't focus too much on flavour

Also remember that getting townreads early on is as important as getting scumreads. It has been interesting on whats happening. We have 4 pages off little substance. However it has generated decent reads for myself although I'm sure everyone else has differing reads. There have been a couple of posts here and there from people that have been useful. The rest of us including me have been rehashing same topics.

After consideration of what's been posted so far, I'll take you up on your proposition as it helps with my own reads Vote: Arnie

*Totally not bandwagoning

Having 50 people to choose from does nothing to stop fake claims later. What’s to stop me waiting for a few players to claim, going to the civilisation wiki, picking a leader and running with it? Why on EARTH should I make any kind of claim on day one? I really hate that mass claiming, even a weak soft claim like this, is going on day one. I do not like it one bit and I don’t trust that it was initiated by town.
Since you’re so obsessed with claims though, have this. My leader is a human that lead a country once.

Elements: ability claiming on the first day is never wise. Even if I was town cop, I'd probably prefer to die then be forced to die D1 for example. I'm mixed with flavour claiming because it's true that the more we reveal the better scum have of creating a fake claim.

Town/scum reading should be based on discussion, voting, and concrete facts e.g. flips. Again I re-iterate that you should take flavour hinting with a heap of salt and not rely on abilities too much as there is highly likely confusion during the night phase due to it being role madness.

Rule of Thumb, town's advantage is during the day, while scum has advantage during the night.

Looking back at the previous game, I can see some players adapting their play or using a similar approach to D1

Sorry the bold thing makes no sense to me. I tried though.

EDIT by Hectic: Place whatever you want to embolden inside the tags, like this:
[ b ]This would be bold.[ /b ]
Remove the spaces in the tags though.

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Votecount 1.2

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Zaiden (2): Sam, ArnieDesley
ArnieDesley (2): Flop, Hououinkyouma
Jbdavies15 (2): Elements, Cookiemonster
Elements (1): Zaiden
Flop (1): Kate

Not voting: Distributive, Aurimas, Jbdavies15, Vj

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Prodded Jbdavies15.

vote Flop
Random vote but just adding to the vote count

Elements: Apologies if i sounded a bit sharp. It was general advice not to ability reveal on the first day. And about revealing ability, it really depends on role. There are certain types of roles scum can fake claim.

I wonder about two things this game:
1) whether the axis has a day chat
2) If they are lead by an experienced/semi experienced player or two

Both are likely possible imo

In short consider the following three things when you want to role claim:

1) Can I share my information in a way without role claiming?
2) If I roleclaim, will it hinder town?
3) Can i survive without role claiming?

If the answer is yes to any of the above, then probably don't roleclaim.

Currently the Axis might have more information than the Allies due to being in a group that can share info. We shouldn't reveal info in a way that Axis can use their abilities more effectively during the night.

Nota Bene: A roleclaim isn't fact, people do lie. I only really trust dead people's roles for sure when they flip. If you roleclaim D1, I'm going to vote for you!

The setup isn't designed for a D1 eliminate to be detrimental to town. Nor is there just one super townrole.

Having said that my eliminate targets are Zaiden, Arnie, and Sam. They seem to know each other well.

From: Okabe Rintarou, the sometimes mad scientist

Unvote: Flop
I’m still not convinced about your reasoning, but after reading back, you were against a flavour claim before people even started making them, and I don’t want you to be tied in the vote.

I also want to say that I don't think Flop is bad. Her general contributions have been solid - although I'm biased since she was the first one who spoke sense from my perspective when the earlier chaos was going on.

Anyway, kate, if we agreed flavour claiming less important right now, what makes an aversion to flavour claiming so bad at present time? When Flop refuses to flavour claim later on in the game in a situation that's manifestly detrimental for town, that's when I'll start having my doubts. But for now, she's not bad in my books.

@everyone: We have less than a week left now, we should focus talks on who to eliminate

I would like to know what everyone thinks about Sam, Arnie, and Zaiden. And how they've been interacting with one another, considering that they apparently have more experience than probably half of us and that they know each other.

1) Do you think one or both of Sam and Arnie are members of Axis trying to lead us relative newbies to eliminate Zaiden?
2) Or is Zaiden actually Axis?
3) How about Zaiden and one of Sam or Arnie being both members of Axis, trying to fake voting each other for end game purposes?
4) Or are all of them townreads/neutral?

Imo I've been reading people posts and also mentions of Arnie possibly being Jester. With him dropping, the Jester role, and saying that he wouldn't mind being lynched.

Possibilities:
1) He could be telling the truth. He's an Ally with weakish role. 10%
2) He's Jester or other 3rd party. 10%
3) He's Axis with pretending to have a weakish Ally ability. 25%
4) He's an Ally with an above average role faking a weakish role. 25%
5) He's an Axis with a strongish role, faking weakish Ally role, while implying Jester to make people hesitate. 30%

I doubt our GM would make the game end if 3rd party won their win condition.

I've been looking at previous forum mafia games here. My conclusion is that I doubt Arnie is telling the truth and if he is experienced, I doubt he's actually Jester. Even if he is Jester or he is telling the truth, he is still the one that I want to eliminate.

Note I don't think Arnie has brought much to the table, though neither have I and other players really.

My percentages are just an approximation of what I think of Arnie so far.

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Votecount 1.3

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

ArnieDesley (2): Flop, Hououinkyouma
Jbdavies15 (2): Elements, Cookiemonster
Zaiden (1): ArnieDesley
Flop (1): Jbdavies15

Not voting: Distributive, Aurimas, Vj, Kate, Sam, Zaiden

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Pick up the activity please, it's a little dire right now.