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Post by hououinkyouma on Nov 18, 2018 9:46:23 GMT
distributive: You probably seen me before I am then hidden hardcore weeb in the mafia society. I have certainly seen you before from the warwick portal run in June on twitch. Distributive Law, Hectic, samthecoy, sleepless... *Alert* Yandere Stalker *Alert*
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Post by distributive on Nov 18, 2018 9:50:43 GMT
distributive : You probably seen me before I am then hidden hardcore weeb in the mafia society. I have certainly seen you before from the warwick portal run in June on twitch. Distributive Law, Hectic, samthecoy, sleepless... *Alert* Yandere Stalker *Alert* That would be more gratifying if it answered the question I actually wanted answering (who are you and how do you usually play?) (That aside, I hope you enjoyed the run)
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Post by kate on Nov 18, 2018 9:51:24 GMT
If I had to pick someone to eliminate right now it would be either Arnie or Sam, probably Arnie. Arnie because he faked his alphabet and hasn’t explained why yet, he volunteered to be lynched, and for some reason I just don’t believe him. Sam because his first post seemed to be putting a lot of blame on Zaiden for what seems to me to be silly reasons. He said later on that he was just trying to wind Zaiden up, but I think it was to well though out for that. I’m finding it difficult to figure out who is and isn’t axis when a few players haven’t said anything yet, for all we know everyone that’s made a significant contribution so far is an ally and the axis have just stayed quiet and let us fight between ourselves.
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Post by distributive on Nov 18, 2018 10:08:07 GMT
If you think there are two main eliminate targets, and you're complaining about the lack of contribution, why not try voting one of them to force a response?
Tut tut, Aurimas. Editing posts are we?
It's nice of you to reiterate the exact point I made two posts earlier. Also the person who's made the biggest fuss about Zaiden's post-liking post is Zaiden. All I ever did was point out it was weird and then that I thought his reasoning behind it was flawed.
I also don't think I like that people are tending towards just resigning to lynching Arnie as an easy target. My points about him were just how if that's how the day goes down in the end then I'm okay with that.
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Post by kate on Nov 18, 2018 10:37:40 GMT
If you think there are two main eliminate targets, and you're complaining about the lack of contribution, why not try voting one of them to force a response? It’s not the lack of contribution from Arnie or Sam that is making things difficult, I meant that when people like Vj or Aurimas had only posted one or two things it made it harder to narrow down options, because I have no information about them. I’ll vote for Sam now anyway though, because you’re right that there’s no real reason not to. Vote: Sam I don’t want to vote for Arnie because he volunteered, I want to vote for him because I think volunteering is suspicious, if that makes sence. It has nothing to do with him being an easy target.
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Post by hououinkyouma on Nov 18, 2018 10:40:39 GMT
distributive : Here's a couple of riddle. I know you and you know me. I follow you wherever you go in the light. However in darkness we unite. Who am I? In answer to your question. I am James, you may know me as the professor that funds Warwick Mafia Society. Signed by M My playstyle is usually similar to Aurimas actually. Observe in the background, manipulate things from the background, and not take lead from the front. However I got a bit bored due to it being term time and low activity so I provoked a discussion that may be a little reflection of what I think, it may be a true reflection, it may not. Nota Bene: vj @jbdavies I would like a post everyday or other day from you guys. Doesn't need to be much. cookiemonster Elements I would like your further thoughts on Zaiden, Sam, and Arnie as well as my comments on them
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Post by hououinkyouma on Nov 18, 2018 10:41:20 GMT
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Post by hououinkyouma on Nov 18, 2018 10:44:59 GMT
distributive : Who knows if I remind you of someone else, i might be that person At this very moment I enjoy watching your insides grate whether you consider who I am. Is it him? Is it her? Are they dangerous, should we kill them fellow Axis members?
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Post by distributive on Nov 18, 2018 10:54:39 GMT
Vote: hououinkyouma
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 18, 2018 10:57:57 GMT
At first, I liked HououinKyouma's line of reasoning. We need to focus on getting a eliminate sorted, considering we only have five days left. And to be honest, I didn't want it to seem like I suspected Arnie/Sam because they started off things against me. Their behaviours have seemed really fishy. The other part of what he says, I actually don't like. Naturally, we should kill off 'experienced players' if they look to live too long. I'm flattered to be considered within this echelon. That said, I don't like how they're make a fuss of killing veterans while excluding certain people. It seems... way too favourable for some individuals, who can fly under the radar while removing town's most capable assets. By that logic, distributive should also count as a veteran, because they've partaken in multiple forum games. But there's something else which is a source of greater concern. Most of us have only played forum mafia within Mafia Society. We've developed an internal meta and don't really know about more refined customs and techniques. So Flop, I know it would annoy you because it means you're at a disadvantage here and expressed a dislike of meta. But meta is actually a pretty effective way of going about business considering a lot of us have only played here, myself included. Would you consider such a statement valid? There are clearly more experienced players on here and while it's possible they've never played here, it's clear they've played elsewhere. It's suspicious that you glossed over this fact, hououinkyouma, especially because it feels like you count within this circle. Most beginners have already made a point that they're new to forum mafia. Whether or not this is true, I've never really cared about, because they could be lying for all I know. But you never said you were new to forum mafia ever since the beginning, where people would expect a new person to come out and say it as many have, and you're demonstrating ways of playing that I would expect from an experienced player. To shape this perception that experienced players should be eliminated, while conveniently excluding yourself and certain others, reeks of something foul. It just seems way too convenient. For the record, HououinKyouma and Flop both seem very familiar with the forum mafia setup, which I'm guessing came from playing in other places, where in my opinion the process of scumhunting and scumhiding are far more refined. Techniques they would be privy to (thinking that flavour claiming is pointless, being very familiar with forum mafia exclusive terminologies, actively looking through previous games) have already been demonstrated this game. To gloss over this fact while advocating for the death of 'experienced players' almost feels like a ploy to draw attention away from your own actual experience, while removing obstacles to that goal by killing the best of the bunch over here. Such a play heavily favours yourself, Flop and distributive - unreasonably so in my eyes, and it feels like you are capitalising on other people's lack of familiarity with your experience. It's extremely disingenuous and I really don't like it.
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 18, 2018 11:02:02 GMT
Well that's sudden. I wasn't expecting distributive to get impatient and turn on hououinkyouma - though the latter was trying to rile her up. And you see, distributive? When someone actively winds you up and succeeds, you get emotional and respond. For some people, it's spiels of text, like myself. For others it's a short and curt vote against the offender.
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Post by Elements on Nov 18, 2018 11:05:05 GMT
distributive : Here's a couple of riddle. I know you and you know me. I follow you wherever you go in the light. However in darkness we unite. Who am I? Shadow Given the Arnie, Sam and Zaiden are the most experienced players, it seems likely that one of them will be killed night one which would result in even more information then just lynching one today as we can see which one is killed plus get information from peoples night abilities and make a more informed eliminate on them. I'd say its more valuable for us to keep the experienced players alive for a while longer, especially if we can get town reads on them. Given what I've just said, I'm not against lynching any of them day one if no other suspicious candidate arises. My thoughts on other possibilities are vj, jb, and aurimas due to their lack of contribution. Aurimas slightly less than the others as I remember what he said. If we don't get anyone other than the experienced players I would vote for Arnie over the other two because of his volunteering. Either he is being sincere and we don't lose too much, he is neutral in which case at least we didn't kill town (and as someone someone i can't seem to find said earlier - i doubt Hectic would end the game on a day one jester eliminate), and if he is axis we're off to a great start. Of course there is the possibility arnie is a powerful town role pretending to be not very helpful at which point I will crawl into a ball sobbing "why arnie" when we eliminate him. As for Zaiden and Sam; Zaiden has been very vocal which is his general play style although it's been very defensive too. Of the three I dislike Zaiden the most but this is due to my predisposition to dislike people that talk a lot so I would still eliminate arnie over him. I don't have anything against Sam atm. He questioned Zaiden and voted him to get a defence, got one, decided he liked it and removed his vote after finding it satisfactory. This seems perfectly acceptable to me and his other comments dont seem outlandish even if I dont nessecerily agree with them. To sum up before I pen an essay like Zaiden; I would like more form the quiet three, vj, jb and aurimas, or will be in favor of lynching one of them over the Experianced three, Arnie, Sam, Zaiden. If we get that and no other suspisions arise I will be voting Arnie
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Post by distributive on Nov 18, 2018 11:10:34 GMT
Well that's sudden. I wasn't expecting distributive to get impatient and turn on hououinkyouma - though the latter was trying to rile her up. And you see, distributive ? When someone actively winds you up and succeeds, you get emotional and respond. For some people, it's spiels of text, like myself. For others it's a short and curt vote against the offender. It was a joke. Don't put words in my mouth. As a genuine concern about him though, I was under the impression you two knew each other. Is this not the case?
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 18, 2018 11:37:18 GMT
I know who HououinKyouma is. I don't know who's behind the account, unless it's another Barry alt.
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Post by hououinkyouma on Nov 18, 2018 11:39:36 GMT
distributive : Techically I know a little about all of you but you don't know much about me other than guesses. Elements : Shadow is the correct answer. And that is what I am. Zaiden: You should never use emotional appeal as a form of any tell in forum mafia. It still makes you equally town or scum. I'll wait for others to make their observations known about Arnie, Zaiden, Sam and my comments about them. Feel free to explore other players as long as you focus on those above four players
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Post by vj on Nov 18, 2018 11:57:05 GMT
Seems like this is a good time to weigh in my opinions. Zaiden - As per the Votecount 1.2, Zaiden was voting for Elements and between Votecount 1.2 and 1.3, Zaiden said Unvote:Arnie. And in Votecount 1.3, Zaiden is no longer in the Votecount. Assuming this was somekind of a typo and not some kind of ability, I read Zaiden as scum not because of the whole like post thingy, but because of his vote against elements whom I read as town(for now). Arnie - He is acting strange, I mean i dont understand why he would say that the town could eliminate him if we couldn't find anybody else. He might have some kind of Jester ability or he is acting like a jestor but is actually Mafia (?). And he still hasn't answered the 0 for O, is it something related to an ability or you just did that for the heck of it. I read the Meme Mafia a bit and he was acting in a similar way. He is just trying to create confusion which is what a Mafia would want. And i don't have any read on Sam. Also I am against the idea of ability claim. Last but not least - ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
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Post by hououinkyouma on Nov 18, 2018 11:58:11 GMT
distributive and @everyone : Let me educate you on who Hououin Kyouma is. He is the mad scientist from the anime, Steins Gate. His alter ego is Okabe Rintarou. Or was it the other way round??? Also the reference about Professor James. Is obviously Moriarty. I am just roleplaying a little but not too much now. It is interesting Zaiden thinks I could be this Barry. If anyone knows Barry, you can pretend I am him, I am interested on how your opinions would change or not change. I believe he was called thefalseprophet last game, what were his other alts?
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 18, 2018 11:59:15 GMT
hououinkyouma, what I'm saying does not constitute an emotional appeal. I was really annoyed that distributive wasn't seeing the obvious reason behind why I reacted the way I did, by selectively glossing over the fact Arnie was out to troll me. It's a statement of fact, given how Arnie admitted it. Again, I feel like you're being disingenuous with the narrative and seeking to discredit the things I say in any way you can.
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Post by vj on Nov 18, 2018 11:59:51 GMT
As for my Vote, it goes to Zaiden for now. Zaiden
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 18, 2018 12:01:35 GMT
To me it seems inconsistent that both yourself and distributive feel like you're intentionally ignoring or overlooking things I consider to be important, in terms of needing to properly discuss certain aspects of how the game has played out thus far. That highlights to me a need for these things to remain on the periphery, as opposed to directly engaging with them with a proper explanation, for whatever intention you both have in mind.
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Post by hououinkyouma on Nov 18, 2018 12:02:49 GMT
vj: You think Arnie is playing in a similar way to last game too. Note he was mafia last game with the false prophet, and Mohneesh. Last game seemed interesting to read. I skimmed to the end to see who was mafia and town. Then went back to D1 to see how the players acted. Arnie, Sam, Distributive, and Zaiden were in the last game.
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Post by vj on Nov 18, 2018 12:07:39 GMT
Yes, I am smelling too much mafia on Arnie. Zaiden/ Hectic could you please clarify whom Zaiden is voting for?
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 18, 2018 12:13:11 GMT
vj, that's a fair point. Hectic, please clarify that it was a typo. I had assumed that my vote was still on Arnie, and I forgot I had my vote on elements. Fair enough that vj townreads elements, but for what reason? I'd like to hear, because I certainly don't townread them yet. Going after inactives is a low hanging fruit that mafia actively indulged in across many of our forum games. So as far as I'm concerned, they aren't in the clear. Actually, I realised something. Elements also had a policy of going after inactives, which included yourself, so I can't tell if your move to align yourself with them is a ploy to appease their scrutiny of you. As for myself, I strongly townread Flop at the moment, despite what I said about 'hidden' experienced players in my previous big post. Okay, she might not be up for flavour claiming yet, but I said that's not extremely important right now. For me, she's made a whole load of sense so far, by calling out when other people were happy to bandwagon - most of who couldn't even question or admit that there was something dodgy about it. Right now, it's relatively even between people wanting myself, arnie or sam lynched. If she didn't step up, I'm quite certain that I'd be at the forefront, and the Axis have no reason to prevent me from getting random lynched D1.
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 18, 2018 12:13:58 GMT
hououinkyouma, I was not in the last game. I made 2 posts to meme someone, but I wasn't actually a participant.
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 18, 2018 12:17:10 GMT
For now, assume my vote is still on elements. They are actively trying to antagonise me and knowing Louis irl, I'm not too convinced that he has an issue with wordiness. It goes beyond that, and knowing that Louis likes to mess with people, I'm of the opinion that he's having fun provoking reactions out of me but hasn't said it yet.
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 18, 2018 12:25:50 GMT
I also think this is Arnie's general playstyle. You can't look at the previous forum game and isolate it from context. He enjoys playing with a chaos factor switched on, irrespective of whether he's town or mafia. In fact, you won't be able to dig up evidence of his town behaviour, because I'm pretty sure he's only played as mafia in two games up till now. What are the chances he'd be mafia three times in a row - though I'm open to the possibility he's some nefarious third party.
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 18, 2018 12:27:23 GMT
^ And just to clarify it is possible Arnie will be mafia three times in a row, but I'm just highlighting how unlikely it is.
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Post by vj on Nov 18, 2018 12:31:09 GMT
I had assumed that my vote was still on Arnie, and I forgot I had my vote on elements. Fair enough that vj townreads elements, but for what reason? I'd like to hear, because I certainly don't townread them yet. Hmm, you forgot you had your vote on elements? Seems to me you are not trying to figure out who is town. This is not helping if you are trying to clear your name. I townread elements based on his claims, I am not sure whether i should be telling the exact reasons because i am uncertain of the implications it could have.
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Post by Elements on Nov 18, 2018 12:37:41 GMT
You're the one that always lies right? As to the "likelihood" or Arnie being mafia 3 games in a row, i don't think this should come into it at all. It's all random so what people were in past games doesn't make any sort of difference. As for poking at Zaiden; maybe i am maybe i'm not, maybe ill continue, maybe i won't, maybe this is inconsequential either way, and maybe this sentence means nothing is just confuses thing further.
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 18, 2018 12:37:54 GMT
^ Okay, I want everyone to read my original post and look at vj's above response: vj , that's a fair point. Hectic , please clarify that it was a typo. I had assumed that my vote was still on Arnie, and I forgot I had my vote on elements. Fair enough that vj townreads elements, but for what reason? I'd like to hear, because I certainly don't townread them yet. Going after inactives is a low hanging fruit that mafia actively indulged in across many of our forum games. So as far as I'm concerned, they aren't in the clear. Actually, I realised something. Elements also had a policy of going after inactives, which included yourself, so I can't tell if your move to align yourself with them is a ploy to appease their scrutiny of you. As for myself, I strongly townread Flop at the moment, despite what I said about 'hidden' experienced players in my previous big post. Okay, she might not be up for flavour claiming yet, but I said that's not extremely important right now. For me, she's made a whole load of sense so far, by calling out when other people were happy to bandwagon - most of who couldn't even question or admit that there was something dodgy about it. Right now, it's relatively even between people wanting myself, arnie or sam lynched. If she didn't step up, I'm quite certain that I'd be at the forefront, and the Axis have no reason to prevent me from getting random lynched D1. vj seems really eager about incriminating me for whatever reason, that they're ignoring the evidence right in front of them. I explain why I don't think elements is a definitive town read. In the next paragraph where this excerpt of mine comes from, I LITERALLY SAY WHO I THINK IS TOWN (spoiler: it's Flop). How am I not trying to figure out who town are when I explain who I think is town, and why? People seem really eager to find anything that sticks onto me this game. vj doesn't even answer my question about why they townread elements. If anyone isn't making an effort to figure out town/scum, it feels like it's vj and not me.
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