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Post by Zaiden on Nov 15, 2018 13:36:39 GMT
^ If you're an Ally please like the above post. Not anything related to my ability, but these pointless things add up in terms of helping me read scum.
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Post by hououinkyouma on Nov 15, 2018 15:53:34 GMT
Ain't gonna listen to you and like your comment. Tis a trap
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Post by distributive on Nov 15, 2018 15:54:37 GMT
You read scum based on who likes your posts?
Anyway wrt activity, a certain amount of it is likely due to timing, since the last game took place over the summer and the one before that over the Christmas break, so it's fair to assume some people will be limited to only a few posts per day. With that in mind, I also only discovered this game had started by accident, so a little more advance warning in the future would be appreciated.
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Post by hououinkyouma on Nov 15, 2018 15:54:56 GMT
Vote Zaiden
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Post by cookiemonster on Nov 15, 2018 16:01:02 GMT
For the newbies, try to be active by posting early on, even if you don't really know what you're doing. Here I am then. I agree with the general consensus on here that there are 3 axis members,but the existence of the third party makes me uncomfortable, especially if they are able to play a part in kills. I feel like divulging any information at all about our characters' time periods would be biased against those with leaders in medieval and ancient times (assuming there are any). I don't think the third party are human, just as a hunch. People can be divided into good and evil, two clearly defined groups. I can't think of a historical figure that was neutral off the top of my head, and so I think the third party could be either animals, or a disease, or potentially not from Earth? If that makes sense? As a result, I don't think a cop would be able to tell apart characteristics that are distinctly human (gender, time period, country etc). I could (and probably am) way off the mark with this, but I needed to throw it out there. There will probably be a bus driver/ role switcher in action, meaning that actions in the night will have unintended consequences, causing mass confusion. I look forward to what should be an interesting game.
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Post by kate on Nov 15, 2018 17:11:05 GMT
I don’t see how liking Zaiden’s comment could be a trap, I can imagine any roles are based off of comment likes, since they aren’t a central part of the forum. That said, I don’t see how it could help at all so I haven’t liked it either, just in case.
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Post by kate on Nov 15, 2018 17:11:40 GMT
*can’t imagine
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Post by Elements on Nov 15, 2018 17:21:31 GMT
it's detracting from important D1 matters. What important D1 matters would you prefer to be discussed?
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ArnieDelsey
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Dont let my avatar fool you, I'm actually mafia.
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Post by ArnieDelsey on Nov 15, 2018 18:03:28 GMT
Tbf D1 is pretty much all about speculative decision making. There's not really much to go on since no one has had a night ability to get any meaningful results to work with. Setup speculation is a good starter, alongside deciding whether or not/ when we should flavour claim. A day where everyone is in agreement is difficult to analyse later on than one where sides are taken. Being controversial is not necessarily a bad thing and I think that's the problem most of the time with these games; theres this herd mentality at-times where everyone wants to be on the safe side of the argument/discussion.
Regarding the setup further, I think its 9v3. If not 8v3v1. In the case of a third party member, I sincerely doubt they can kill. 8v3v1 is too anti-town favoured if so and 9v2v1 is too swingy towards a town win if an evil is lynched D1. Thus my belief is that third party (should one exist) has their own win conditions and cannot simply win with either town or mafia (e.g a witch or survivor) as it would be too imbalanced. Something like jester or plaguebearer (Town of Salem role which has to infect everyone to win) would make more sense to me.
Personally, I think people should be aware of the more experienced players staying alive past night 2 because it tends to be that mafia kill off the most active/experienced players first, so that they can more easily sway the remaining inactive/inexperienced town to a final mislynch to win the game.
Imo the doc and cop should heal/investigate the most experienced players first because I find alot that some mafia try to put themselves in the mindset of being a town from the get-go and ignore any mafia information from swaying their argument to appear most town-like. I've done this, Barry's done this (last game's mafia) and I can see Sam/Zaiden doing this if mafia.
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sam
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Post by sam on Nov 15, 2018 18:24:03 GMT
First off, hi everyone! I hope this game is great fun and we have a good time, and of course that history repeats itself and the axis lose. Let's start this off. I'm assuming everyone has an ability. If the examples are to be taken into consideration, each person has 1-3 abilities. Assuming bus driver doesn't mess up stuff and our investigative roles pull through, we can end this game pretty easily by squeezing out the mafia's 9-12 abilities with our collective 20+ abilities. If you're a town bus driver, hold off using your ability for now until later in the game. If there's a non-town bus driver, well, that could really complicate matters. Let's hope that's not the case. I think Zaiden is intentionally making incendiary comments.This is implying that because everyone has 1-3 abilities the mod has completely failed to balance the game and that allied victory is a fait accompli. Zaiden's an experienced player and knows this is nonsense. His telling us to like a post, something he's never done before and something which could certainly be connected to a role ability, is also a little fishy if I'm honest. For now I'm going to Vote: Zaiden until I hear a defence. I actually quite like his idea of flavour claiming, and I have quite a good one to get us started. My leader is one of the 43 leaders in Civilization V (including expansions). If you aren't familiar with the game, the list is here. I would encourage others to make similarly precise claims as I think it could be a catalyst for discussion.
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Post by distributive on Nov 15, 2018 18:26:35 GMT
I think Zaiden's post-liking fascination is likely a load of bs that will have no effect but raising unnecessary discussion, the same way the meme-count derailed D1 last game.
What do people think with respect to Sam's suggestion? I won't be flavour claiming until there's a group agreement to.
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sam
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Post by sam on Nov 15, 2018 18:29:53 GMT
I think Zaiden's post-liking fascination is likely a load of bs that will have no effect but raising unnecessary discussion, the same way the meme-count derailed D1 last game. What do people think with respect to Sam's suggestion? I won't be flavour claiming until there's a group agreement to. So you agree with me that it's likely incendiary? Good. I don't see any reason why you need the group to affirm you making what boils down to a fairly weak claim of around 50 possible characters.
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Post by kate on Nov 15, 2018 19:02:53 GMT
I agree with everything Sam has said so far, and my leader is also in Civilisation V or the expansions.
If the group deside to do a different sort of flavour claim today I won’t join in because with a definate list to reference from I think certain types of claim would make it too easy to narrow down.
That doesn’t mean that I won’t do a different type of flavour claim later on in the game though.
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Post by hououinkyouma on Nov 15, 2018 19:15:43 GMT
Since some people have gone down this route. I'm actually in CIV VI
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Anyone want to go through the alphabet at the end of their next post?
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 15, 2018 19:35:00 GMT
My post liking thing is an adoption of a real life strategy Ben uses where he asks people if they’re town. I thought I’d try it out. In fact, it’s a strategy I’ve started using in Resistance as well whenever I play that. People think it’s BS, I wasn’t planning on making it central to discussion, but I can understand the skepticism. However the aforementioned reaction is heavily overblown and I actually managed to get some reads from how people reacted. Even those who reacted negatively have to admit that these reactions feel disproportionate. Imo Arnie is town because he acted the most rationally and reasonably.
For newbies the lack of skepticism tells me Kate and Cookie Monster are good. I expected reactions from people but not this much. It feels like others are severely overreacting and stirring shit into the pot. It’s a very extreme reaction to something relatively harmless, and if Sam says I haven’t done it before, then I’ll point out he’s never had such an extreme reaction either right off the bar D1. That, I don’t like.
HououinKyouma doesn’t have anything conducive to add to anything I say, and actively tries to discredit my suggestions. It seems like an attempt to shut me out. James did this two games ago and it worked. I was town and he was third party. I don’t even know you irl, so your seemingly irrational motive is clearly tied to the game. Or you just dislike me for no good reason. Bah humbug.
Never played Civ, my character is probably in there though.
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Post by distributive on Nov 15, 2018 19:50:28 GMT
I'm sorry but you get no reads from that. Ben's strategy works because he can read peoples' immediate reactions. In a forum setting you're asking people to do something weird for no good reason, and they're going to call you out on it.
Until I have any real reason to give your actions any serious consideration I'm ignoring it.
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 15, 2018 19:52:50 GMT
People overreacted unnaturally. How do I get nothing from that? Your assertions are patently untrue and I ask you to recognise that the reactions have been disproportionately overblown.
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Post by distributive on Nov 15, 2018 20:00:06 GMT
I don't think they did. You asked people to do something very unusual and people naturally responded skeptically. I sincerely doubt post liking would be made a mechanic in this game, even with Hectic in charge. Anyway, I'm also a Civ V leader. ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYN Anyone want to go through the alphabet at the end of their next post? Why?
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 15, 2018 20:21:19 GMT
Everyone: I sincerely doubt that Hectic would add a post liking mechanic. Also everyone: AAHHHHHH SUSPICIOUS!!!
But let’s move on from this quibble. It really isn’t adding much to the rest of the game. However I sense a concerted plot to destroy me or reduce my meddlesome influence, so I’m suspicious of certain individuals, who I’ve already named.
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 15, 2018 20:22:31 GMT
If my guess is right, maybe my assessment of Kate and Cookie Monster might be incorrect. Could be Axis trying to put people in both camps of supporting me and dissenting against me.
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 15, 2018 20:23:04 GMT
There’s no other way I can explain why a couple of people have decided to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
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Post by hououinkyouma on Nov 16, 2018 0:16:35 GMT
I guess it depends on who knows you and who don't. Maybe I'm being irrational, maybe I'm not. Maybe you are axis, maybe you're not. That being said, it would be good to differentiate who knows who. I've seen Sam, Arnie, and Zaiden's names being dropped with the addition of Barry and James
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Post by hououinkyouma on Nov 16, 2018 0:17:34 GMT
I don't think they did. You asked people to do something very unusual and people naturally responded skeptically. I sincerely doubt post liking would be made a mechanic in this game, even with Hectic in charge. Anyway, I'm also a Civ V leader. ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYN Anyone want to go through the alphabet at the end of their next post? Why? Why not??? is the counter question. What do you have to lose
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Post by hououinkyouma on Nov 16, 2018 0:24:42 GMT
There still are 3 players that haven't spoken at all. Vj liked a post by Zaiden's first or second post but hasn't actually said a word as far as I can see...
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ArnieDelsey
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Post by ArnieDelsey on Nov 16, 2018 1:31:17 GMT
what_could_possibly_go_wrong.wav
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ArnieDelsey
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Post by ArnieDelsey on Nov 16, 2018 1:33:51 GMT
What do I have to lose? About 10s of my time.
Also, for just being shady and talkative: [/b] Vote: Zaiden
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Post by kate on Nov 16, 2018 2:13:51 GMT
The alphabet typing is because some of the passive abilities restrict what letter you can type. ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ Since Hououinkyouma can’t type Z, he also can’t vote for Zaiden, which is worth bearing in mind.
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Post by Elements on Nov 16, 2018 2:31:58 GMT
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz For my flavor claim, my leader is present in the Sumerian King List (found here) and, to narrow it down to a similar number as the CIV claims, ruled some time between the start of the first dynasty of Kish and the end of the second dynasty of Kish. (Assuming that the list on Wikipedia is in chronological order) As for voting, I will vote: jbdavies15 because I would like to try and spur them into action and their name stands out from the people that are yet to talk
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Post by Hectic on Nov 16, 2018 3:04:45 GMT
cookiemonster and Elements : A reminder that you are not permitted to edit posts. EDIT: Unless you're the host.
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Post by Hectic on Nov 16, 2018 3:12:38 GMT
Votecount 1
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.
Zaiden (3): Hououinkyouma, Sam, ArnieDesley ArnieDesley (1): Zaiden Cookiemonster (1): Flop Jbdavies15 (1): Elements
Not voting: Distributive, Aurimas, Jbdavies15, Kate, Vj, Cookiemonster
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