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Post by Hectic on Nov 13, 2018 23:45:25 GMT
Warwick Mafia VII: Leader Royale Please pm me back to confirm your role pm. All roles were distributed randomly. This is a role madness game; no one knows the possible roles going into the game. Alive (Number = Prods)Distributive (1) Sam (1) Zaiden Jackoclypse Flop (2) Elements Cookiemonster Dead
ArnieDesley Hououinkyouma Jbdavies15 (1) Vj (2)
Kate Aurimas Jcraster (1) Game EventsDay 1 EndDay 2 End Day 3 EndFlavour
Famous leaders from history have been resurrected/teleported to face off in a battle royale. The Axis are this game's mafia; they win when the game has as many Axis alive as there are Allies. The Allies are the town members; they win when there are no longer any opposing factions alive. The ability names I have given may be a little loose in terms of how they fit the actual ability; so don't eliminate someone based on their flavour being a little off. It is possible for the game to possess multiple leaders of a single civilisation/empire. Rules
1) The mod’s decision is final. Please respect the moderator’s authority over the game. 2) Please use bold tags to vote as follows: VOTE: [NAME]. Non-bolded votes will also be accepted, but are generally not preferred. 3) Lynches will occur when one player has received a majority of votes. You may post during twilight (between the hammer vote and the closing of the thread). 4) If there aren’t enough votes to eliminate a player by the time day ends, or if a majority of votes have been made to no eliminate, no eliminate will be made. 5) Do NOT quote any private communication from me, nor any mason, scum, or any topics that may or may not exist. You may paraphrase your role PM, for example, but don't copy it completely. 5.5) Do not discuss the formatting of your role PM, such as what is bolded or underlined. 6) You MAY NOT discuss the game outside of the thread unless your role specifically gives you the ability to do so. 7) Days will last ten days, or until a eliminate (or no eliminate) has been decided on. This time will be grow shorter as the game goes on. 8) Nights will last 48 hours. You may not post in this thread during the night. 9) Please inform the mod via PM or in the thread before going V/LA. I will prod you after 48 hours of inactivity if I’m not informed, and then again after 24 hours. At that point, I will be forced to replace you. 10) If you receive more than three prods over the course of the game, I will immediately begin seeking replacement. 11) Death is final, but a single contentless "i am become dead" post will be permitted. 12) The rules may be changed/added to by me at any time, and may also be enforced post-addition. 13) This setup is non-bastard. 14) Do not edit or delete posts. This is the colour I will use when I need to edit other people's posts.15) Do not use encryption (ciphers, invisible text etc) 16) Don't quote your role pm, your leader image, or any communications from the mod. 17) No outside influences, trust tells, posting images to show you have a busy irl schedule etc. 18) Any private communication should occur within quicktopics provided by the mod. 19) Don't screenshot anything. 20) If you think something breaks a rule then ask. Roles that I don't consider bastard which others may: Cult-type roles, Bus Driver, Jester, Hated, Voteless. Axis PM example:Kim Jong-UnYou are a member of the Axis; you win when the Axis equal or outnumber the Allies.Abilities Best Korea (Active Ability) - Once in the game, you may make yourself Loved for the duration of the next day, this means you will be 1 vote harder to eliminate. You must activate this ability in the prior night and it will wear off at the end of the next day. Nuclear Bully (Active Ability) - Once in the game, you may kill an extra leader during the night. This is separate from the Axis faction kill. Worker's Party (Passive Ability) - You may not use the letter 'y' during any point of the game. Doing so will result in your immediate death. You may view your fellow Axis and their abilities here.
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 14, 2018 1:08:39 GMT
Finally, the game has begun, and I think the Axis should concede because it's futile. We all know how WW2 turned out and history is about to repeat itself.
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Post by Hectic on Nov 14, 2018 7:52:38 GMT
Ally PM example:Cyrus the GreatYou are a member of the Allies, you win when there are no more opposing factions alive. AbilitiesKing of the Four Corners (Active Ability) - You may each night target four leaders and switch them randomly, causing any actions directed at one to be used on one of the others instead. Siege of Sardis (Active Ability) - You have the ability to kill a player at night by correctly guessing their leader. Each night, you may submit one guess; if your guess is correct, your target will die. The Liberator (Passive Ability) - Upon death, you must pass on one of your active abilities to a living leader. Ask any questions if you have them.
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Post by Hectic on Nov 14, 2018 8:33:41 GMT
Third party PM example:RatsYou are a Third Party role, you win when you have infected all living leaders in the game, not including yourself. You will count as an Ally player for the purposes of determining whether or not the Axis have won by equaling or outnumbering the Allies. AbilitiesBlack Death (Active Ability) - You may each night infect someone - including yourself - of the plague. At the start of the next day, the leaders will be alerted of whoever was infected the prior night. They will be unaware of the context of this. Fleas (Passive Ability) - Infected leaders are unable to kill you during the night. Plague Doctors (Passive Ability) - There exists a Vanilla Townie in the game. The Vanilla Townie's vote will count twice against you. Ask any questions if you have them. /s
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Post by Hectic on Nov 14, 2018 10:10:07 GMT
Day 1 has begun.The deadline is on midnight, 23rd November. The day will end once a player has received the majority of votes and has been lynched, or when the deadline is reached. I will post votecounts periodically. Votecount 0With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate. Not voting: Distributive, Sam, ArnieDesley, Zaiden, Hououinkyouma, Aurimas, Flop, Jbdavies15, Elements, Kate, Vj, Cookiemonster.
Earlier, Ben posted some very good information regarding playing forum mafia in general. I recommend reading through it if you haven't done so already: warwick-mafia.freeforums.net/post/6815
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 14, 2018 14:02:19 GMT
Let's start this off. I'm assuming everyone has an ability. If the examples are to be taken into consideration, each person has 1-3 abilities. Assuming bus driver doesn't mess up stuff and our investigative roles pull through, we can end this game pretty easily by squeezing out the mafia's 9-12 abilities with our collective 20+ abilities. If you're a town bus driver, hold off using your ability for now until later in the game. If there's a non-town bus driver, well, that could really complicate matters. Let's hope that's not the case.
The existence of a third party is somewhat concerning, especially if they have a killing ability. If it's anything like that plague skill in the example, that'll be pretty rough to play around. But they count in favour of town for the endgame until all the mafia have been eliminated. While it'll always be good to keep a tab on any third party whose motives we are not aware of, the best policy will be to deal with the Axis first. Obviously it might not be a good idea to reveal our actual leaders, so I was thinking we could try partially flavour claiming by saying what country our leaders come from, since that would limit people's scope for fibbing later on when a massclaim becomes viable. Let me know what you think of this, and if people like it we could try it out!
For the newbies, try to be active by posting early on, even if you don't really know what you're doing. This game is quite different from real life mafia, where being quiet comes under heavier scrutiny. Frequently contributing will make this game much more enjoyable and less stressful in the long run. And you'll pick up things much quicker by throwing yourself into the mix.
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Post by distributive on Nov 14, 2018 15:04:37 GMT
Hello friends, it's good to be back!
I'm considering the set up, and notably this is the smallest forum game I've been in (admittedly only out of three) but it makes me wonder about the likelihood of a large-scale third-party faction. That said, this is Hectic running the game so I reckon just about anything is possible. I think it's likely that a third party does exist, but I doubt they have a (directly) killing role.
As for the Axis leaders I'd imagine there are three or four of them. Thoughts?
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Post by kate on Nov 14, 2018 17:24:40 GMT
Obviously it might not be a good idea to reveal our actual leaders, so I was thinking we could try partially flavour claiming by saying what country our leaders come from, since that would limit people's scope for fibbing later on when a massclaim becomes viable. Let me know what you think of this, and if people like it we could try it out! I’m not sure I agree with flavour claiming so early on, looking at the example roles it may give an advantage to people who can only use certain abilities if they know the leader, and we don’t have any information yet about who those might be. It will still reduce the scope for fake claims if we do it Day two, and at least then everyone should have some information. I’m not set on this opinion though, and I’m also new to forum mafia, so I’m very open to having my mind changed about this.
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 14, 2018 20:03:01 GMT
Well Houston, I'll have to admit that this is less activity than I'd hoped. distributive, I'd also imagined there'd be 3-4 of them. And I'd expect a smaller-scale setup to be more explosive. kate, fair enough. But I think it's something we should look at doing later on. I mean, if someone said their country was the UK, there are many many leaders it could be. And if there's a country cop, I can bet you they'll catch out some liars. Also, it's my suspicion that third party doesn't have any affiliated country (based on gut feeling and the example provided), so imo what I suggested would be a good way of forcing their hand.
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Post by kate on Nov 14, 2018 20:08:08 GMT
I think saying what century the leader is from could be better. It doesn’t narrow it down so much as the obvious countries would, while still restricting claims later on, and the third parties probably won’t have a clear century either.
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 14, 2018 20:17:25 GMT
I think saying what century the leader is from could be better. That's even better than my original suggestion! I was kinda thinking we could try out both, but if there's an anti-Ally ability that runs off predicting leaders, then I guess we'd want to avoid narrowing things too much.
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Post by Elements on Nov 14, 2018 20:18:46 GMT
I think saying what century the leader is from could be better. It doesn’t narrow it down so much as the obvious countries would, while still restricting claims later on, and the third parties probably won’t have a clear century either. Im going to have to do some research for this, who knew playing mafia would increase my historical knowledge
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ArnieDelsey
Dreaming God
Dont let my avatar fool you, I'm actually mafia.
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Post by ArnieDelsey on Nov 14, 2018 22:06:48 GMT
I actually found out this game started because I was on page 3 of my name's Google search and found the forum mafia link. Maybe a reminder on the facebook page is in order Hectic? I really doubt there's 4 mafia. Imo its a 9v3. Here's something I may come back to later in game: "The odor around us, engulfs us. The empires surround us, divides us. They found us, trusted us." Just wanted to say that given this is role madness, I wouldnt be surprised if we have 3/4 new roles never seen before; like last game with the quicktopic role aurimas had, sam and DNM's postman and mod-poster, and barry's mafia medium.
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ArnieDelsey
Dreaming God
Dont let my avatar fool you, I'm actually mafia.
Posts: 639
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Post by ArnieDelsey on Nov 14, 2018 22:13:15 GMT
Lol, nevermind. My facebook just didnt notify me about your post on the facebook page.
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Post by hououinkyouma on Nov 14, 2018 23:12:14 GMT
So Mr 1005 Town maybe you're a member of Axis... I disagree with flavour claiming by country or flavour claiming in general early e.g Genghis Khan. I feel like even going by century you might limit the possible leaders too much, e.g. Alexander the Great. It probably has less affect on modern leaders, I could be wrong as my lack of knowledge of history.
Although this setup is not one I have come across. Balance speaking maximum of 3 Axis members in a 12 player game. Max 1 third party member. I expect there to be probably some bus driving this game. However I wonder if it will be RNG based
El Psy Congroo
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Post by hououinkyouma on Nov 14, 2018 23:13:48 GMT
Nota bene there could be some sort of Jester in this game.
El Psy Congroo
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Post by hououinkyouma on Nov 14, 2018 23:17:45 GMT
My two quotes of the week...
"If you're afraid - don't do it, - if you're doing it - don't be afraid!"
"I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep; I am afraid of an army of sheep led by a lion."
El Psy Congroo
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 15, 2018 1:11:34 GMT
In my opinion, we will eventually have to narrow it down to a massclaim anyway, which usually takes place before LyLo. That'll be the point of the game where we'll get enough information to achieve a win. Or are in such a desperate situation that we need to massclaim to get close to a win. To optimise for that eventuality, flavour claiming will reduce the ways in which mafia can heavily capitalise upon a complete freedom to invent claims as they wish when such an outcome transpires.
I'm also thinking this game will feature leaders worldwide. I think it's entirely possible that no two leaders come from the same country, so it could end up becoming a way of catching out scum.
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 15, 2018 1:11:47 GMT
Also hououinkyouma, in reply to your concerns, I can name about three famous Greek leaders. Leonidas, King of Sparta Pericles, Inventor of Democracy Sparticus, Leader of the Slave Rebellion I really don't think you should be too worried
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 15, 2018 1:18:20 GMT
And your quotes are from Ghenghis Khan and Alexander the Great? Both were pretty famous conquerors, with impressive achievements to boot.
But in the context of fear, I'll choose to quote the American President who led the US throughout most of WW2, Franklin Delano Roosevelt: "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself"
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Post by hououinkyouma on Nov 15, 2018 7:25:10 GMT
Zaiden: FYI not baiting anyone but if anyone had Genghis Khan or Alexander the Great, they probably can be identified. If you can name me 3 famous Mongolian and 3 famous Macedonian leaders, then I'd be impressed. There are many Greeks, American, British, Nordic, Chinese, leaders among other countries. Tbh your suggestion earlier implies you have a leader that probably can't be narrowed down by country nor likely centuries
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Post by kate on Nov 15, 2018 8:25:32 GMT
I agree with the idea that there will be only 3 axis. I’m not sure about a third party yet because I think it’s very likely there is a bus driver, which might make it too hard for the allies if there is also a third party,
I think it’s also more likely that there are several people with restricted, or conditional bus driving abilities on both sides, rather than one full bus driver.
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Flop
Vanilla Town
Tired
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Post by Flop on Nov 15, 2018 9:17:41 GMT
FWIW, while flavour claiming may be an idea later, it doesn’t seem like a great idea early on. It’s too ambiguous, and will just derail the thread with irrelevant discussions of which famous leaders people could be and which of those are likely to be Axis members. Ultimately, it’ll end up being a distraction from useful things. Like voting. Vote: Cookiemonster Also it’s probably 8/3/1 if there’s an indep and 9/3 if there’s not. Judging by the example roles, I’d say that there probably is an indep.
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 15, 2018 9:55:09 GMT
If there was an Alexander the Great, for the purposes of flavour claiming, I think it'd be understandable on the part of most people if they claimed 'Greece' instead of Macedonia, and were found out to be Macedonia instead. He might have been the ruler of Macedonia, but he was also the King of Ancient Greece. Chang Kai Sheik, the founder of Taiwan, was born in China. There are many famous leaders who were born in a country different from the one they are associated with. Because countries aren't explicitly stated in our PMs, I think it'd be acceptable for an individual to exercise discretion between revealing a leader's birthplace or the domain they led. Flop, I guess you're right. I kinda jumped the gun on postulating about flavour claiming. For what it's worth, I also agree with voting. So far, no one has given me reason to be suspicious. I also think it's useless to vote anyone inactive who can't defend for themselves yet. Therefore, I'll vote elements, because everyone else has made something beyond a passing comment that's contributed to general discussion. Vote: elements[/i]
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Post by Elements on Nov 15, 2018 10:16:53 GMT
I’m not sure about a third party yet because I think it’s very likely there is a bus driver I think there is a high chance some form of bus driver, possibly akin to the Cyrus the Great example with some form of RNG coming into play. As for third party, I think there will definitely be one. No ideas on how they'll work but I think they will make the game more hectic.
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Flop
Vanilla Town
Tired
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Post by Flop on Nov 15, 2018 12:10:31 GMT
I have questions What’s the obsession with bus drivers? Plenty of other potential roles to cause chaos, why focus on that one? Also, why would the presence of a BD have any impact on the presence of an indep?
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Post by kate on Nov 15, 2018 13:08:13 GMT
I though that having a bus driver and a third party role would make the game too hard, but like I said earlier I don’t have any experience with this format so I don’t know. It’s not that I have any particular obsession with bus drivers specifically, but I think everyone is just trying to figure out how likely it is that their night time ability (if they have one) will target the right person.
Zaiden, yesterday you said that revealing the countries our leaders were from might help a potential country cop, but today you said that a lot of leaders could have multiple answers to this question, and that it would be good for some allies to give a different country than the obvious one their leader is from. Aren’t these two thing contradictory?
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 15, 2018 13:30:24 GMT
kate, I'm suggesting that someone could shift between the two paradigms within reason. If the flavour claim would amount to giving away your leader, then it wouldn't be a flavour claim. That would be a full on claim. I think it makes sense to conduct it in a way that comes as close as possible. A cop could investigate say Alexander the Great and get Macedonia. But Greece would still fly within general posting here, because Macedonia is still a historical region of Ancient Greece. As for Chang Kai Shek, Taiwan claims to be the true China so you could say that a flavour claim of China wouldn't be too outlandish for all intents and purposes. Also, there are countries that don't exist anymore e.g. Prussia. I'd assume naming the modern day equivalent in Germany is fair game. To conclude, it's important not to get caught up in the semantics and focus on the desired outcome, which would be to adapt and flavour claim in a way that achieves our goals without hurting us, as opposed to dismissing an idea that is workable with a bit of tinkering. But enough about this for now, because as flop pointed out, it's detracting from important D1 matters. Flop, why the busdriver obsession? In real life, as someone deeply familiar with Hectic, let's just say that he likes throwing them into the mix. Last game, we also played with a mafia bus driver. Though I'd imagine that for the purposes of forum mafia we'd see a one or two shot bus driver. And what other roles do you suggest would cause chaos? The other borderline bastard ones come to mind, such as jester, cult, hated, voteless, etc.
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 15, 2018 13:32:13 GMT
I'm not satisfied with elements contribution yet, because it's basically rehashing what's generally been said by most other people. However, it's better than nothing I guess? Also, there's something else that has caught my attention. Here's something I may come back to later in game: "The odor around us, engulfs us. The empires surround us, divides us. They found us, trusted us." I'm not sure I can say that I like this statement, because it likely relates to your leader in some way, be it theme or ability. And I don't know if it's friendly for Allies. But I hope that you do clarify what you mean at a later point, unless it would amount to a claim. Nevertheless, I would like to press you a bit, Arnie Unvote: elementsVote: arniedelsey
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Post by Zaiden on Nov 15, 2018 13:34:32 GMT
Also this is far less activity than I'd hoped. Hectic, can you poke people on Facebook or the real life mafia session today?
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