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Post by Tom on Jan 4, 2024 11:10:47 GMT
It is easy for wolves to only engage with mechanics but archie is engaging in a different way that feels like a town member
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Post by luke on Jan 4, 2024 11:25:02 GMT
I won't quote the whole post but to respond to unexplained, it was the only post of Daisy's that I thought was remotely AI at that point.
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Post by Tom on Jan 4, 2024 11:31:29 GMT
Nick, I TR you because I've played a few forum games before with you, and this seems very in character for town you. Plain and simple. Nick is Nick, do you actually TR him or is he just neutral for you? Do you TR me?
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Post by ashera on Jan 4, 2024 15:01:40 GMT
Nick, seen and acknowledged. I had a feeling you might declare everything null and void, just doing my best to try and get the game out of neutral. Archie, is your thinking that 1) Ashe is a scum role deliberately outing themself with cheeky flavour crumbs 2) Ashe voted Daisy and 3) this means they're both scum? I must admit I'm not entirely on board yet. Sell it to me like a teleworker. I think Ashe's role is like a thief or ninja or teleporting crook or something. And it seems in character for the mods to make a quiet broken role and counter-balance it with an insistence on flavour text. *steps out of your cupboard* I love this as a concept, but I swear the flavour text is just me doing a bit. I can stop whenever I want
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Post by ashera on Jan 4, 2024 15:01:59 GMT
Like so
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Post by ashera on Jan 4, 2024 15:03:06 GMT
All of ashe's posts are great but they aren't in purple which is -1 point from me. *a cloud of purple smoke appears, from which I emerge*
Apologies, won't happen again.
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Post by ashera on Jan 4, 2024 15:10:37 GMT
Page 1 Tom hasn't read the rules +town Nick G is very familliar with the rules around items +wolves Page 2 Nick G wants to talk about what items do and what everyone bidded for +wolves Tom very quickly shut that down +town Page 3 Nick G votes for Luke to "get the game moving" but goes nowhere with it +wolves Nick G is stateing game facts and taking about items a lot +wolves archie is alluding to role power knowledge +wolves AirPrime is bidding and talking about their bids +wolves Page 4 archie still talking about players roles +wolves Good number of posts that I think will be good to look back on after some flips Page 5 archie is again, talking about roles +wolves ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Questions: mkkrabby - Do you have any reads this game? Tom - Others have also asked this but can you expand on your archie read? As you can see, I have given him a fair few +wolves archie - You say that ashera and Daisy (now me) are your biggest suspicions, could you explain why and what about thier posting made you suspicious of them? ashera - Other than Daisy (now me), is anyone else either failing or passing the vibe check? luke - Your read on Daisy (now me) feels forced. Now it has been explained that bidding groups are entierly random, does this change your read? Daisy (now me) had also posted significantly more than just the part about bidding groups before you gave this read, does any of that also factor into your read? If not, why? AirPrime - You say nothing you've seen makes archie non-suspicious, but has anything you seen make archie, or indeed anyone, seem suspicious? Nick G - You mention you have experience with some of the players here, are you not trying to use that to discern their alignment? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote:Nick GBid - Existentially Worrying FleshClone: 10 *phases through the floor* (who left clipping on?)
Ok I'll explain this now. Me claiming to have a bad vibe check on Daisy was to see how she responded, and base my actual reads on that. Unfortunately that never happened, so I'm just here now. Unvote: Unexplained
But in terms of real reads, from least to most sus
I'm town reading Archie for the same reasons Tom seems to be - ie. engaging with the game in a way that feels towny. Nick feels like Nick, I always find him hard to read. I want to town lean him I think. mkkrabby and Tom are in the slightly town of neutral area. Luke, AirPrime and Unexplained are in the 'vibes yet to form' zone. Vote: AirPrime
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Post by Lucifer on Jan 4, 2024 15:43:39 GMT
unexplained is someone Brolly managed to find on mafiascum who was willing to sub in. None of you know their irl identity, and I don't expect that to change.
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Post by Lucifer on Jan 4, 2024 15:44:12 GMT
I should really do a vote count, gimme a mo
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Post by Lucifer on Jan 4, 2024 15:56:28 GMT
Votecount 1.1
Nick G - 2 (Tom, unexplained)
AirPrime - 1 (ashera) unexplained - 1 (archie) archie - 1 (Nick G)
Tom - 1 (mkkrabby)
Not Voting - 2 (Luke, AirPrime)
With 8 alive it will take 5 to eliminate.
Bids
McMeatyBurger Franchise - mkkrabby, 9 Masks of Thalia and Melpomene - AirPrime, 7 FedEx TeleWarp Pad - mkkrabby, 6 GravitySchmavity Brand Trainers - mkkrabby, 9 Existentially Worrying FleshClone - unexplained, 10
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Post by Nick G on Jan 4, 2024 18:59:29 GMT
Lucifer, thank you for the clarification regarding Unexplained. That also explains the difference in terminology, which is something that had me confused. Tom- I’ll be honest, for the first couple of pages there was almost nothing to discuss but random mechanics - the first few votes are typically meaningless unless they cause an unusual reaction. And you’ve said yourself that you think the early bidding is meaningless (I don’t think it has a lot of weight, but it was interesting to see who was willing to start pushing the bidding and who wasn’t).
- But what if Nick wasn’t Nick? (I’m kidding. This isn’t a Ben/Demesne King situation…)
ashera- Is there a particular reason that you picked AirPrime out of the three people you weren’t sure about?
luke & AirPrime
- As the two players who have yet to cast a vote, who would you vote for if you had to vote now, and why?
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Post by ashera on Jan 4, 2024 19:53:01 GMT
ashera- Is there a particular reason that you picked AirPrime out of the three people you weren’t sure about?
unless I’m missing something, they’ve never been voted, I want to see how this goes
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Post by unexplained on Jan 4, 2024 20:12:24 GMT
As Lucifer said, I am from mafiascum so if you have not played there you will not have played with me
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To expand on my catchup post now the people I wanted to respond to it have responded to it have done so and asked about it:
Page 1: These are very slight leanings. In general I expet wolves to be more ingratiated with the rules, especially in more mechanically based games, as it is thier perogative as the minority to direct the game away from themselves.
Tom's lack of awareness indicates a more laid back approach to the game which I associate more to town
Nick G's awareness is therefore the opposite, but again it's a very slight point in either direction
Page 2 Simiarly here to page 1 Nick G and Tom are opposite examples
This will come up a bit later for archie, but Nick G asking about what the items do gives me concerns of role fishing. Encoraging other to speculate on items by example and using thier guesses to assertain what abilities they might have.
Page 3 A lot of what Nick G is doing feels to me like he is posting things to look like he is thinking about the game. This is the main reason he has appeared multiple times for item discussion whereas Tom, for example, has not. Fact stating and mechanical discussion are all well and good when you are also talking about other things.
Nick G has said himself that he isn't very good at forming reads day 1 yet has one of the highest post counts. Flooding is too strong of a term, but he is pushing the game into a more mechanical disscussion through his presence which would be a good way for him to hide and to seem like he's doing something especially given he is familiar with his own meta.
AirPrime recieved a +wolves for a similar but less extreme reason being it makes it look like they're doing something without actually doing anything
This is probably the strongest read of a post I had. Nick G states he wants to get the game moving and then proceeds to vote a player that has yet to post in the game. Someone that isn't present can't respond to something to get it moving. Additionally, despite Tom and Leo both having stated confision at Luke's lack of posting it is only after Leo mentions voting for Luke that Nick G asks someone to join him. This reads to me as Nick G wanting to look like he's contributing without actually moving the game forwards (you may have noticed a theme here).
Something to get the game moving would have been to vote someone currently active/who had posted or ask people to join with the vote on Luke
A very tinfoil hat theory I have is that Luke is Nick G's wolf partner and this is slight distancing
archie: All I have to say about this is role disscussion day 1 is anti town
About my catchup post:
The +wolves and +town points were deliberately not differenciated from each other in terms of strength to see which of them were noticed or responded to the most None of them individally are strong in either direction, we are only on page 6.
I have been told that I can come accross as agressive in my pushes but that is because I am quite blunt with them. If I see something I don't like, I say it
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Responses:
AirPrime: Hopefully the above explains why you recieved a +wolves at that point in time. Since then you have engaged more with other things. You say this is your first forum game, what do you think about the reads expressed by other players so far? Do you think any of them are made up?
archie: Wolves is how I refer to the anti-town factions You, Nick G, and Tom all have more posts of substance than anyone else so naturally there will be more to comment on about you three The things talked about that I have given +wolves too are in two catagories {rules, game facts} {items, player roles}. The former catagory is a way for the wolves to talk about things while not advancing the game (see my comments on Nick G). The later being information that will benefit the wolves more than town when discussed day 1 I don't understand what it is you want me to respond to? Ashera said they had a vibe read on Daisy, both of those are players I am not, nor have likely ever played with.
You say my post is evidential of my being a wolf, could you elaborate on that?
Luke: Are there any posts this game you think are as or are more alignment indicative as that post by Daisy?
Ashera and Tom: What you have said about archie is noted
Nick G: Firstly a non-game related request, could you put an empty line between your bullet points. I'm finding it difficult to read.
Hopefully I have answered your page 1 and page 2 queeries above, although I will concede that "everyone" was an overstatement.
Page 3 - I am familiar with RVS so if you wanted to move the game forward why did you not encorage other players to vote or vote a player that was posting? You even say yourself how innefectual your vote was If there was nothing you could do to move the game forward with your vote, why did you make it in the first place? What did you expect to happen?
Do you consider expressed reads as solid information?
Hopefully some of what I have said above answers some of this but to expand further on the players you mention; Tom - Tom had multiple reads on other players in addition to his item and bidding discussion. His mechanical speculation about consensus town reads recieving items for a low price I read as non-alignment indicative mechanical speculation mkkrabby - mkkrabby's play reminds me of a mafiascum user named "Not-Mafia", a player commonly described as, for want of a better word, a shitposter. I expect either mkkrabby will become readable later in the game or that someone will use a role or item to sort an otherwise non-interactive slot ahesra - ashera has alluded to their role but it is theirs to allude to. archie has been speculating about other players roles. ashera had also expressesed a read and engaged someone about it It is not just what someone is talking about but also what else they are talking about
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Post by Nick G on Jan 4, 2024 22:00:10 GMT
unexplained- First, to address your formatting request. I can try, but I am playing this game from mobile/tablet, which makes the formatting significantly trickier.
Having said that, let’s address your other points on me:
- Your page 1 comment. From a general perspective, I can see where you’re coming from about scum being more likely to study mechanics. What I would say (and I know you won’t necessarily believe me on this, but others should be able to verify this) is that I tend to dive into the setup details/mechanics and any information possible, to get an understanding of how the game might play out, possibilities, potential strategies, etc., regardless of alignment. I’m not saying it’s Town-indicative of me, just that my personal meta may override the general meta you’re using in this case.
- Your page 2 comment. Role fishing? Speculating about items wouldn’t tell me what roles players have, unless someone has an ability to know what items do and shares very specific information that gives that away, or someone starts talking about types or categories of item.
- Your page 3 comments. As I’ve said before, those first few pages we had very little to discuss beyond the mechanics. I’m also not sure that having one of the highest post counts and openly disagreeing with people (including arguably the most influential player in the game, Luke) is the best way of hiding. Also on the post count, that tends to happen in general with me - there was a comment in my first forum game here (XIV CardWolf) about being the most enthusiastic player that they’d ever run a game for before.
- The Luke vote. Perhaps “get the game moving” wasn’t the right wording, but it was meant to be an incentive for Luke to post if they were lurking/planning as opposed to actually away, and if they were actually away (as they later said) then it gave them a personal point to respond to. And it isn’t necessarily just the person you vote for that reacts - if someone had tried to defend Luke, that could have been useful information. It wasn’t a guarantee that something would happen, but it seemed more productive than doing nothing, and it has actually resulted in a non-trivial amount of discussion by now (even if that is mainly people pushing me for it). And even in RVS, I’d typically rather have even a nominal reason for voting someone - Luke wasn’t posting, and this group has (or at least had when I was a regular) a policy of pushing/voting for the quiet people on account of those people potentially trying to hide or coast through day 1 without posting.
- Do I consider expressed reads as solid information? If it’s serious, then maybe. But, same as with votes, it’s hard to analyse them without a reference point. However we didn’t really have much in the way of seriously expressed reads for the first few pages either, and it’s hard to tell now what is and isn’t serious, such as with Ashera claiming that their prior scumread on Daisy was actually just a reaction test.
Regarding your responses to my comment about you not flagging other players:- Why is Tom’s mechanical speculation about item bidding strategies non-alignment indicative, when my mechanical discussion & speculation is scum-indicative? On reads, you’ve also missed/ignored the fact that I did actually have a thought-out vote on Archie, not just the RVS/“quiet” vote on Luke.
- Why is Mkkrabby posting lots of non-indicative content (at least by your standard - I need re-read their posts myself) non-indicative, whereas me posting a lot of non-indicative/non-reads content is scum-indicative?
Yes, most of what I’ve said has been mechanics talk. But you have skipped over or attempted to put a particular spin on the non-mechanics talk I’ve had. Once again, I may be tunnelling or over-reacting, but I feel that you’re judging different people by different standards to some extent. I can’t tell if this is simply a difference in metas and reading strategies (especially as my personal meta doesn’t completely align with the general meta for most of the rest of the group), or whether there’s a rather solid attempt to frame me and hope people don’t notice the inconsistencies/flaws.
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Post by Nick G on Jan 4, 2024 22:05:17 GMT
ashera - Is there a particular reason that you picked AirPrime out of the three people you weren’t sure about?
unless I’m missing something, they’ve never been voted, I want to see how this goesThat’s fair. Although it is a fairly easy reason to throw a vote at someone. (Interestingly, neither you nor Mkkrabby have been voted for yet either, so far as I can see. I’d vote you for fun for that reason, but frankly the only person I’m likely to vote for over Archie right now is Unexplained, as those 2 have actively done something I consider to be suspicious.)
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Post by mkkrabby on Jan 4, 2024 22:11:01 GMT
I dont think I have any particularly strong reads yet, when do I ever? But I think i slightly town read William and Archie and then am relatively neutral on everyone else. I think ashe is trying to crumb something or theyre just having a lot of fun playing a character but i wouldnt know what it is if they are.
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Post by unexplained on Jan 4, 2024 22:23:06 GMT
Regarding your responses to my comment about you not flagging other players:- Why is Tom’s mechanical speculation about item bidding strategies non-alignment indicative, when my mechanical discussion & speculation is scum-indicative? On reads, you’ve also missed/ignored the fact that I did actually have a thought-out vote on Archie, not just the RVS/“quiet” vote on Luke.
- Why is Mkkrabby posting lots of non-indicative content (at least by your standard - I need re-read their posts myself) non-indicative, whereas me posting a lot of non-indicative/non-reads content is scum-indicative?
Yes, most of what I’ve said has been mechanics talk. But you have skipped over or attempted to put a particular spin on the non-mechanics talk I’ve had. Once again, I may be tunnelling or over-reacting, but I feel that you’re judging different people by different standards to some extent. I can’t tell if this is simply a difference in metas and reading strategies (especially as my personal meta doesn’t completely align with the general meta for most of the rest of the group), or whether there’s a rather solid attempt to frame me and hope people don’t notice the inconsistencies/flaws.
As I said before it's not just because you were posting mechanical discussion, it's because that's all you were talking about. I apologise if it wasn't clear but my page by page catch up was done page by page. I didn't go back and forth between pages to compare so at the point I gave you +wolves my reasoning is sound. On the topic of your archie read: This is the only thing I can find reguarding your suspision of archie? Please point me to more if I have missd it, but this does not scream thought-out to me mkkrabby is almost exclusively non-game related posts whereas your posts are game related ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am also getting concerned that we only have 2 days until the deadline and there have been no wagons so far I would be willing to vote for the following players, in order of preference: Nick G mkkrabby ashera/Luke AirPrime
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Post by mkkrabby on Jan 4, 2024 22:40:37 GMT
Regarding your responses to my comment about you not flagging other players:- Why is Tom’s mechanical speculation about item bidding strategies non-alignment indicative, when my mechanical discussion & speculation is scum-indicative? On reads, you’ve also missed/ignored the fact that I did actually have a thought-out vote on Archie, not just the RVS/“quiet” vote on Luke.
- Why is Mkkrabby posting lots of non-indicative content (at least by your standard - I need re-read their posts myself) non-indicative, whereas me posting a lot of non-indicative/non-reads content is scum-indicative?
Yes, most of what I’ve said has been mechanics talk. But you have skipped over or attempted to put a particular spin on the non-mechanics talk I’ve had. Once again, I may be tunnelling or over-reacting, but I feel that you’re judging different people by different standards to some extent. I can’t tell if this is simply a difference in metas and reading strategies (especially as my personal meta doesn’t completely align with the general meta for most of the rest of the group), or whether there’s a rather solid attempt to frame me and hope people don’t notice the inconsistencies/flaws.
As I said before it's not just because you were posting mechanical discussion, it's because that's all you were talking about. I apologise if it wasn't clear but my page by page catch up was done page by page. I didn't go back and forth between pages to compare so at the point I gave you +wolves my reasoning is sound. On the topic of your archie read: This is the only thing I can find reguarding your suspision of archie? Please point me to more if I have missd it, but this does not scream thought-out to me mkkrabby is almost exclusively non-game related posts whereas your posts are game related ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am also getting concerned that we only have 2 days until the deadline and there have been no wagons so far I would be willing to vote for the following players, in order of preference: Nick G mkkrabby ashera/Luke AirPrime yes
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Post by Nick G on Jan 4, 2024 23:23:03 GMT
unexplained- Just as an example, let’s look at Page 2. Tom’s posts mainly consist of mechanics discussion, talking/joking about an item (something you’ve also said isn’t a good idea, and something which Tom also seemed to be against). There’s maybe 1 line that falls outside of that category, and it’s a comment that Luke being quiet is unusual. Yet the only comment you had was giving Tom Towncredit for rejecting my item question which resulted from him & Mkkrabby discussing item/bids in the first place.
- That same post that you referenced for my read on Archie also points out that Archie didn’t actually provide a reason for Townreading me. Add that to a fairly stretched theory about Ashera, and I’d say that’s around par for the course with the reads by that point in the dayphase. I did add more subsequently (after you got subbed in, as I didn’t have time to post on Wednesday), pointing out that they’d also tried to push an Ashera/Daisy scumpairing with minimal explanation. It’s not as strong as I’d thought it was, but considering some of the other votes thrown around, I would say it has some thought behind it.
- I’m not sure I understand why talking primarily about non-game matters would be better than talking about game mechanics? Neither is necessarily providing subjective information that can be used to indicate alignment, but at least one is relevant to the game and more likely to generate conversation. Also, they hadn’t exclusively posted non-game-related content - they’d bid several times, voted a couple of times (albeit without much conviction, I believe), and had asked a setup clarification.
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Post by mkkrabby on Jan 4, 2024 23:24:22 GMT
unvote: tom vote: unexplained
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Post by luke on Jan 5, 2024 1:14:03 GMT
Vote: AirPrime
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Post by Tom on Jan 5, 2024 11:49:19 GMT
No one's being actively scummy I don't think but my current probably town pile is Archie, Luke, Unexplained and I'm sort of indifferent to everyone else I do sort of feel bad voting out AirPrime since he's sort of a defacto day 1 vote it seems like and it's his first forum game Thoughts luke?
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Post by archie on Jan 5, 2024 17:01:50 GMT
I don't think the mods would make a setup where we lose with a wrong vote day one. So, on principle I'm not voting AirPrime day one. Maybe later, as they're not my most-town read player, but I won't vote for them day one.
Similarly, I won't vote unexplained today, because I want to get to know the playstyle of a new player before I vote them.
Ashe and MKKrabby definitely can get away with a fair amount of shitposting. Which can be annoying, but is also very amusing. That being said, it is a very reasonable bit for Ashe to be doing, so I'm inclined to drop that reasoning. That's not to say they're townread, but more back into neutral territory.
This kind of puts me back to square one, kind of not. I trust Nick, despite their vote on me, and I kind of trust a couple of others. I'll see how votes and wagons develop, I guess.
I'm aware there is other stuff I should respond to, and I'll do so later, busy day today.
So for now: Unvote: unexplained
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Post by unexplained on Jan 5, 2024 17:53:53 GMT
Apologies to those who recieved notifications from this post becuase I have quoted you unexplained - Just as an example, let’s look at Page 2. Tom’s posts mainly consist of mechanics discussion, talking/joking about an item (something you’ve also said isn’t a good idea, and something which Tom also seemed to be against). There’s maybe 1 line that falls outside of that category, and it’s a comment that Luke being quiet is unusual. Yet the only comment you had was giving Tom Towncredit for rejecting my item question which resulted from him & Mkkrabby discussing item/bids in the first place.
Let's go through each of yours and Tom's posts from page 2: Nick G: Is there any point speculating on the nature of the items up for Auction today? (Obviously we can’t speculate on night-Auction items until the day after they’ve been bought.) - McMeaty Burger Franchise: No idea.
- Masks of Thalia and Melpomene: The comedy and tragedy masks, but I’m not sure what impact they’d have. Potentially voting modifiers, or 2x 1-shot abilities?
- FedEx Telewarp Pad: I’d guess a some form of redirection, maybe a Bus Driver or Commuter ability. I’m not sure whether the “FedEx” part is relevant.
- GravitySchmavity Brand Trainers: No idea.
- Existentially Worrying FleshClone: Honestly, this feels all over the place. The “Existentially Worrying” part sounds like a potential negative, but the “FleshClone” part could be some form of 1-shot self-protective (thematically an “extra body/life”).
Given how much some people seem to be online, I think bid snipes will be fairly prevalent.
I could see an item introducing a post restriction, but more along the lines of a requirement to include certain content in the post (either seriously or an obvious joke) rather than a limit on the number of posts. With long dayphases (1 week for the first day), any serious post restriction would become rather obvious if an apparent lack of activity weren’t acted on by the moderators.
Asking others to speculate on what items does. I mentioned before how this could be Nick G role fishing, I will explain more as to what I mean. In order for someone to speculate on an item they will gather all knowledge they have of the game {the item name, the game flavour, other items they have, their role} to put together a theory. Looking at which items players comment on and which items they comment on could be an indicator that a player knows a certain mechanic is in play and therefore potential information on their role. I really wanted it, that was so mean Tom I don’t suppose you’d care to share the name of the item or why you wanted it? (E.g. an idea of what it might do, although the names do seem to be rather abstract in some cases.) See above. That’s fair. I’ve not played a “Pick Your Power” game before, so I don’t know the meta or likely roles beyond having had a very quick skim through parts of the previous Pick Your Power game on this forum. I’m assuming that some discussion over who was keen to get certain items may be relevant later in the game, or people talking about others “sniping” items. But it probably won’t yield significant information on Day 1. (Although we do have very little to go on on Day 1, and I believe that the rules mean we do have to exile someone today.) Concedeing the point to Tom. Could be quick backtracking, could be unfamiliarity with the set up. Given Nick G's self proclaimed preference for mechanics I would lean slightly towards the former. Second sentance is mechanical discussion I agree with. Bid sniping will probably be rather prevalent for lower value items, especially early on. If someone seriously commits, I doubt people will snipe it unless they have a good idea of what the item does and think it’s worthwhile, as we’ve only got limited money and I doubt there will be many opportunities to gain additional funds. Disscussing how the game will play out in reguards to bidding. Irrelevent as the game will play out the way it plays out. Irrelevent here used in the context of comparing Nick G and Tom's page 2 Tom: None of you are moving like you have some kind of post limit curse I'll say that Very out of field negative item speculation. Negative refering to the "none of you" aspect of the post. Will do babe, he sniped one of the items I wanted at the very last minute. I only took it cause I knew you wanted it
I do indeed have a cursed item and it definitely has a downside, but that is certainly not it. I don't think lucy and brolly would do something so anti-fun anyway. I kind of missed the part of the rules that says cursed items have a downside, I thought it was just a cool epic part of the name
Discussion of an interaction Tom himself had and an item that Tom now possesses. There is no speculation of other items or asking why mkkrabby wanted said item. If I got hit with a post limit curse I would break down idk how I'd handle it lmaooo big ol wallposts I reckon, I know you have it in you Irrelevent as above. No point revealing stuff at this point Warding players off actions Tom thinks could benefit the wolves. My item does have the clause "[Most players are Legion]" in it, no idea what that means tbh A post that, given the reaction to it, I am going to assume is a joke post. There's probably a mechanical reason not to reveal names of items people have, I could imagine mafia might have a role that benefits from knowing that information like an item stealer What I would consider constructive mechanical discussion. Warding players away from actions that could benefit the wolves. I wonder with the theming of the game the evil team could be aliens instead of Mafia, I've been up all night thinking about it Honestly it would make a ton of sense especially since its only 8 players and aliens only have a 1-shot kill to extend the length. Setup speculation, could be WIFOM that Tom already knows what the wolf team is but is pretending not to. Hello I arrive. Based on last night I’m gonna say bidding is won by whoever is on their computer at the deadline, so I’m not gonna bid on anything yet. That being said I like the look of that fleshclone If there's multiple people at the deadline it sort of turns into a blind auction where you have to make a bid without knowing the other bids. It's a spicy meatball Anyway where's lukey pie, not like towncored Luke to miss a daystart???
Generic disscussion of how the game could play out (similar to my comments about Nick G's post) followed by a comment on a player. Comparisson: Nick G's item posts focus on what other items do and why players wanted certain items. This is information gathering and typically more indicative of a wolf this early in the game as it can help the wolves to co-ordinate their actions. Other than the post restriction comment, Tom's item posts focus on his own item/s and encoraging players to not reveal information reguarding their items. This is restricting public information which does not benefit the wolf team this early in the game. Hopefully this has answered your point sufficiantly. Do you think unexplained reads are indicative of a player being a wolf? You have answered the second part yourself by saying it wasn't as thought out as you thought it was.
I find it ammussing that you are comparing yourself to mkkrabby. To answer the second part of the point first: Two of these posts talk about Big Mother wanting a new pair of shoes so are based on a joke. The other isn't a good post. Big mother wants a restaurant franchise and a new pair of shoes. Bid: McMeatyBurger Franchise, 5 Bid: GravitySchmavity Brand Trainers, 5 Lets get things moving, nothing is happening. Bid: McMeatyBurger Franchise: 5 Masks of Thalia and Melpomene: 6 FedEx TeleWarp Pad: 6 GravitySchmavity Brand Trainers: 5 Existentially Worrying FleshClone: 6 Bid: McMeatyBurger Franchise: 9 GravitySchmavity Brand Trainers: 9 Big mother wants a new pair of shoes and a method for her kids to make her money. Additionally, neither naked votes nor game rule clarification questions are alignment indicative To answer the first part: Talking about mechanics breeds talking about mechanics. As I am sure I have said before, it is an easy way to look like you are doing something without actually advancing the game. As for mkkrabby "shitposter's gonna shitpost". You can't read shitposts unless you have a good understanding of the player you are reading. I have not at any point said that I think mkkrabby is better than you, I do think you are worse than mkkrabby (alignment wise) but you will notice that mkkrabby is my second vote for elimination today. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To clarify, I gather that mkkrabby is also known as Leo. Do you have a preference on what I call you? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- archie: You say that Ashera and mkkrabby can get away with shitposting, do you think they will continue to play this way in the days to come or will they provide content that is more alignment indicative? Also as a point about waiting for wagons to form, if everyone said the same thing no wagons would ever form. You can always unvote someone if you change your mind. Tom and Luke: Would Nick G, mkkrabby, or Nick G be places you are willing to vote today?
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Post by ashera on Jan 5, 2024 18:21:37 GMT
archie: You say that Ashera and mkkrabby can get away with shitposting, do you think they will continue to play this way in the days to come or will they provide content that is more alignment indicative? The more information I have, the more serious I am. I will continue to shitpost, should it amuse me, but I won't be shitposting 100% of the time. Anyway Luke, if you don't want us voting AirPrime... Unvote: AirPrime Vote: Luke
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Post by unexplained on Jan 5, 2024 19:18:07 GMT
Ashera I believe you may have confused Tom and Luke: archie: You say that Ashera and mkkrabby can get away with shitposting, do you think they will continue to play this way in the days to come or will they provide content that is more alignment indicative? The more information I have, the more serious I am. I will continue to shitpost, should it amuse me, but I won't be shitposting 100% of the time. Anyway Luke, if you don't want us voting AirPrime... Unvote: AirPrime Vote: LukeNo one's being actively scummy I don't think but my current probably town pile is Archie, Luke, Unexplained and I'm sort of indifferent to everyone else I do sort of feel bad voting out AirPrime since he's sort of a defacto day 1 vote it seems like and it's his first forum game Thoughts luke ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I will be around at the deadline to move my vote if needed. However I will be at a social function so unable to give in depth thoughts.
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Post by luke on Jan 5, 2024 19:44:45 GMT
No one's being actively scummy I don't think but my current probably town pile is Archie, Luke, Unexplained and I'm sort of indifferent to everyone else I do sort of feel bad voting out AirPrime since he's sort of a defacto day 1 vote it seems like and it's his first forum game Thoughts luke ? There's no room for sentimentality in mafia. If you feel strongly about a different player though, I'm all ears.
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Post by luke on Jan 5, 2024 19:47:30 GMT
archie: You say that Ashera and mkkrabby can get away with shitposting, do you think they will continue to play this way in the days to come or will they provide content that is more alignment indicative? The more information I have, the more serious I am. I will continue to shitpost, should it amuse me, but I won't be shitposting 100% of the time. Anyway Luke, if you don't want us voting AirPrime... Unvote: AirPrime Vote: LukeI hope you've amused yourself
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Post by Nick G on Jan 5, 2024 21:01:15 GMT
mkkrabby- Would you care to explain your vote on Unexplained?
luke- Same question - is there a reason for your latest vote? I can’t see any comments indicating that you’re suspicious of AirPrime in your last few posts.
Tom- Does AirPrime have a reputation of being voted out Day 1?
- It’s not ideal, but with plurality someone has to get exiled. And if we start following “honour rules”, we’ve instantly put AirPrime and Unexplained out of the voting options, which is 25% of the player base. (If we’re also going to start looking at that, I died first night in the last forum game, haven’t survived to the end of any of my five games on this forum, and have only survived to day 3 once.)
archie- While I disagreed with your initial reason for voting Ashera, effectively saying that you’ll let them get away with stuff because they’re funny seems like an excuse to avoid voting for them rather than a reason.
unexplained- First, I’d assume that anyone who had significant information about the available items would be clever enough not to give it away this early on. Day 1 can sometimes be very cagey and quiet, or full of absolutely meaningless posts. I was at least trying to discuss something about the game.
- On the accusation of backtracking, there is a serious difference between understanding the mechanics and understanding the meta and all possible strategies. So you’ve said I’m suspicious for pushing item discussion (except that you’ve general exaggerated the extent to which I did so, especially in your initial analysis), and then said I’m suspicious for not being completely inflexible.
- I mean, Tom also went on to give their opinion on bidding later on.
- So Tom gets Towncredit for shutting down discussion on items that aren’t even “in play” yet, but also shared information about one of their own items.
- Your comparison feels biased. From the posts you’ve quoted, I have 1 post on item speculation and 1 post asking about an item. (There may have been one other you didn’t quote.) Tom has a post about his own item, a post speculating about potential roles, and several posts of setup speculation. Only 2 posts that I noticed as blocking item discussion.
- I don’t trust unexplained reads. I definitely don’t trust reads that have severely flawed explanations. My vote on Archie was explained at the time with a logical reason, if not in great detail, and I elaborated on it after your first post (which isn’t something you picked up on in later posts).
- I compared myself to Mkkrabby because of what you said about them when I asked why you hadn’t really flagged anyone besides myself and 1-2 others. You basically implied that they hadn’t contributed meaningfully to the game, but seemed to be absolutely fine with that when I’d say it’s not useful at best, and suspicious at worst. And those other parts may not be alignment indicative for you, but at the least they are game-related, when I believe you’d said they hadn’t posted anything game-related.
- The “look like you’ve contributed without actually contributing” comment about game mechanics only works for scum when no-one is able to identify it, which was never going to be the case in this game, given that it’s been flagged in games before (e.g. a scum player flagged me for it when I was Town in XVI Treestump Express, which I’ll be honest has just fed into my suspicion towards you). Second, mechanics talk can actually be useful.
- Mkkrabby might be your nominal second choice for a push, but I haven’t really noticed you push them significantly.
We’re possibly likely to go in circles over this, but I will defend my point of view, especially when this feels (at least from my perspective) like confirmation bias at best and scum framing me at worst.
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Post by mkkrabby on Jan 5, 2024 21:09:52 GMT
mkkrabby - Would you care to explain your vote on Unexplained?
luke - Same question - is there a reason for your latest vote? I can’t see any comments indicating that you’re suspicious of AirPrime in your last few posts.
Tom - Does AirPrime have a reputation of being voted out Day 1?
- It’s not ideal, but with plurality someone has to get exiled. And if we start following “honour rules”, we’ve instantly put AirPrime and Unexplained out of the voting options, which is 25% of the player base. (If we’re also going to start looking at that, I died first night in the last forum game, haven’t survived to the end of any of my five games on this forum, and have only survived to day 3 once.)
archie - While I disagreed with your initial reason for voting Ashera, effectively saying that you’ll let them get away with stuff because they’re funny seems like an excuse to avoid voting for them rather than a reason.
unexplained - First, I’d assume that anyone who had significant information about the available items would be clever enough not to give it away this early on. Day 1 can sometimes be very cagey and quiet, or full of absolutely meaningless posts. I was at least trying to discuss something about the game.
- On the accusation of backtracking, there is a serious difference between understanding the mechanics and understanding the meta and all possible strategies. So you’ve said I’m suspicious for pushing item discussion (except that you’ve general exaggerated the extent to which I did so, especially in your initial analysis), and then said I’m suspicious for not being completely inflexible.
- I mean, Tom also went on to give their opinion on bidding later on.
- So Tom gets Towncredit for shutting down discussion on items that aren’t even “in play” yet, but also shared information about one of their own items.
- Your comparison feels biased. From the posts you’ve quoted, I have 1 post on item speculation and 1 post asking about an item. (There may have been one other you didn’t quote.) Tom has a post about his own item, a post speculating about potential roles, and several posts of setup speculation. Only 2 posts that I noticed as blocking item discussion.
- I don’t trust unexplained reads. I definitely don’t trust reads that have severely flawed explanations. My vote on Archie was explained at the time with a logical reason, if not in great detail, and I elaborated on it after your first post (which isn’t something you picked up on in later posts).
- I compared myself to Mkkrabby because of what you said about them when I asked why you hadn’t really flagged anyone besides myself and 1-2 others. You basically implied that they hadn’t contributed meaningfully to the game, but seemed to be absolutely fine with that when I’d say it’s not useful at best, and suspicious at worst. And those other parts may not be alignment indicative for you, but at the least they are game-related, when I believe you’d said they hadn’t posted anything game-related.
- The “look like you’ve contributed without actually contributing” comment about game mechanics only works for scum when no-one is able to identify it, which was never going to be the case in this game, given that it’s been flagged in games before (e.g. a scum player flagged me for it when I was Town in XVI Treestump Express, which I’ll be honest has just fed into my suspicion towards you). Second, mechanics talk can actually be useful.
- Mkkrabby might be your nominal second choice for a push, but I haven’t really noticed you push them significantly.
We’re possibly likely to go in circles over this, but I will defend my point of view, especially when this feels (at least from my perspective) like confirmation bias at best and scum framing me at worst.
I dont know if its taboo because ive never experienced a swap out but i didnt like daisys vibe, she was really willing to get me to jump on a tom bandwagon at the start which i could be wrong but to me feels a bit weird for daisy.
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