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Post by kate on Aug 2, 2021 22:02:36 GMT
VOTE: Sorazodia
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Post by Daisy on Aug 2, 2021 22:04:21 GMT
It's rally not worth thinking about how the game could be bastard. For all I know this could be a Truman Show game where I'm the only real player, it could literally be anything, so there's no point trying to play around it. Awh heck I'm gonna be paranoid about this for the rest of the game now oh god
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Post by Nick G on Aug 2, 2021 22:05:35 GMT
I disagree, there is a lot of info out there that is not setup discard related and I think people should try not to focus on discards nearly as much. I would say if you find someone suspicious then you get them to claim, same as you would their role. That way you don't risk outing people for no reason. Although it's a bit late given the majority of people who have claimed. I'm struggling slightly on exactly where we currently have lots of other information? - The vast majority of discussion so far has been about the discards, apart from a couple of people giving mild reads that they've said don't currently have much backing.
- While understandable because it is still technically early Day 1, we've not had any serious pushes or counter-pushes. (No one player has had more than 2 votes at any one time, 5 players haven't voted at all so far as I can see, and only 2 players have moved their votes so far.) If there are no dynamic changes in the votes, there's very little information to analyse. (Particularly as, given that the votes are only tallied at the end of the dayphase rather than at a majority, there is absolutely nothing stopping Mafia from voting each other early and just removing it later on.)
My mistake (and I can't edit it) - 3 people had moved their vote when I said this, not two. (I was forgot to remove someone's old vote, because they didn't say anything about unvoting.)
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Post by silver on Aug 2, 2021 22:31:53 GMT
(My spreadsheet is now in my status if anyone is interested )
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Post by sorazodia on Aug 3, 2021 4:08:29 GMT
I'm rather suspicious of Thilbert, their mistake at the beginning was red flag for me and the follow ups just seems like excuses to get back under the radar. Vote Thilbert And while I'm not too sure if yelyab is being sarcastic in their posts, I think it's safe to trust them. I discarded Seven of Clubs, from my perspective, it's just going to put a big red mark on me if the mafia discovers my role and my other card felt much safer.
btw, I can't see your spreadsheet due to permissions, can you open it up?
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Post by yelyab on Aug 3, 2021 4:28:26 GMT
Good to see that almost everyone have made a post so far. I’m looking at you kratos. In terms of information everyone is missing out on quite a large Avenue of exploration which is the day chats that people have. Unless you have a day chat with everyone. You’ve had to make a choice about who to chat to. That is information in and of itself. I will explain more when I have a chance but am travelling today so won’t be very active. Everyone have fun and be nice 👍
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Post by Nick G on Aug 3, 2021 8:36:48 GMT
Good to see that almost everyone have made a post so far. I’m looking at you kratos . In terms of information everyone is missing out on quite a large Avenue of exploration which is the day chats that people have. Unless you have a day chat with everyone. You’ve had to make a choice about who to chat to. That is information in and of itself. I will explain more when I have a chance but am travelling today so won’t be very active. Everyone have fun and be nice 👍 Maybe not all of us, but I think a decent number of us have chats with most of the rest of the game (even those of us who tried to imply that they were only chatting with certain people), or have at least tried to have. Would be good to hear the explanation when you have time though, as I agree it can be useful analysis, I just don't know what conclusions to draw from it. koast is there a particular reason that you scumread Eluned's discard of Serial Killer B? (It actually looks like one of the "safer" / less information discards to me.) Agreed that I'd like to hear if kratos has any reads, given that they did say they'd been reading the thread. While the majority of the votes at this stage don't mean much, there are currently only 3 players who haven't voted for anyone: Ollie, Kratos and Zaiden. Unvote: YelyabVote: KratosLet's stir up some discussion!
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Post by Ol on Aug 3, 2021 9:33:21 GMT
Hrmmm I haven't accumulated any particular sus reads so far, though quite a few town pings which may in fact be too many.
I've 3 solid town-leans on people who I wont be voting today and they know who they are, I do in part agree with Yelyab wrt not giving pools of towny people especially since the people I townread I could also see as being role-important later on - so I don't want them to die and we have time to vote later
Given that we've now had activity I think from everyone but Kratos, I'm expecting the 4 votes on Koast (Swalsh, Daisy, Distributive and Yelyab) to justify or swip to someone that you have more basis against - doesn't necessarily mean vote Kratos by default but at this point I'd like some bigger reasons and/or Vibe Checks.
Vote: Silver
Why, you may ask? I'm not getting the most town pings atm and my vote-pool is quite limited as it stands, maybe when the spreadsheet becomes accessible my reads will change and I'll switch, tho I have only maybe 3 other people I'd be willing to vote for today... (pls give viewing perms in the change to anyone with the link bit if you'd like it publicly accessible)
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Post by Daisy on Aug 3, 2021 9:58:43 GMT
I've never voted Koast Ol lmao
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Post by Nick G on Aug 3, 2021 9:59:25 GMT
Just for anyone who is struggling to keep track, I think this is the current votecount. (Looks like we aren't getting official interim ones, so I have been trying to keep track.) Apologies if I make any mistakes.
Koast: 3 - Distributive, Yeylab, Aegis. Kratos: 2 - Daisy, Nick. Yelyab: 1 - Thilbert. Distributive: 1 - Silver. Zaiden: 1 - Eluned. Kate: 1 - Koast. Sorazodia: 1 - Kate. Thilbert: 1 - Sorazodia. Silver: 1 - Ol.
(Kratos, Zaiden - haven't voted.)
Nothing particularly indicative so far as I can see, particularly as the votes on Kratos and two of the votes on Koast are activity-related, I believe.
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Post by Ol on Aug 3, 2021 10:10:10 GMT
Also idk where to put my vote right now, but I don't see a reason for it to stay on Thilbert when it's looking just like a me issue on them. Unvote: ThilbertWait I did just remember, we have two people who still hasn't spoken yet afaik. Vote: KratosYou've got a cool name, how's being the god of war going for ya these days? I'm assuming COVID has slowed things down a bit? O right my b, getting the K's mixed up - still, would like reads other than based on inactivity, shall PM
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Post by Daisy on Aug 3, 2021 10:21:33 GMT
Also idk where to put my vote right now, but I don't see a reason for it to stay on Thilbert when it's looking just like a me issue on them. Unvote: ThilbertWait I did just remember, we have two people who still hasn't spoken yet afaik. Vote: KratosYou've got a cool name, how's being the god of war going for ya these days? I'm assuming COVID has slowed things down a bit? O right my b, getting the K's mixed up - still, would like reads other than based on inactivity, shall PM I've already given my reads, I believe on page 2? And most of them were not activity based reads.
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Post by elunedj on Aug 3, 2021 10:35:15 GMT
Care to provide examples of what these explainations are? - ...
- I'd rather leave it up to Eluned to explain her reasoning if she wants to, but it was related to a difference in opinions over the value of the role that I can respect.
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See previous message (below) for my reasonings: I think Eluned, plus whoever discarded Cop and Escort have some explaining to do. And I like Amelie for what she discarded. what has amelie said they discarded to you? because I believe it is different from what they said to me lol I strongly agree with Bayley about discussing the why as to why people discarded things is purely WIFOM but since you want to know the why, I guess I'll resay what I've discussed in PMs with Ol and Nick: - I don't fear of being voted out early in the game, I enjoy playing but am also chill with being voted day 1 or 2, so the allure of early protection wasn't strong - First I thought governor would be a confirmed town then realised they wouldn't and so it was suddenly a lot less attractive card to pick - knowing me I could waste the save on a mafia and that would be very town detrimental - late game the role is swing-y and my alternative felt like a more stable benefit to town/just better - etc
~And all of that was WIFOM and none of it alignment indicative~
... Good to see that almost everyone have made a post so far. I’m looking at you kratos . koast is there a particular reason that you scumread Eluned's discard of Serial Killer B? (It actually looks like one of the "safer" / less information discards to me.) ... *I think you mean kate here I think my Zaiden vote may stay for a while
finger of suspicion at Silver because I've forgotten why I kinda was okay with them and just have a bit of a void read
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Post by Ol on Aug 3, 2021 10:37:37 GMT
Tho personally my list probably goes: Eluned Yelyab Silver --Neutral line of lineness-- Nick/Ol Distributive/Thilbert With my more scummy reads at the bottom, if peeps want elaboration hmu xoxo True, mainly curious because your reads on page 2 detail Nick/Ol and then Am/Tom as sus yet that's not where you vote lies so elaboration now is always nice I actively town read half the people you said to have scummier read on so am very hmmm Has your read on Nick or Tom changed at all ooi?
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Post by yelyab on Aug 3, 2021 10:37:59 GMT
My reads so far are:
Distributive: Town leam, i like how they have gone about the game so far, while them lying about their discard to people privately might put people off their activity and play style seems very reminiscent to the previous game where they were town.
Kate: as I stated before not sure on them yet, giving it more time before jumping to a conclusion, my current stance is they seem analytical but they can easily pull that off as scum and have done so in the past.
Thilbert: I feel from meta reasons has most likelihood to be town, although don’t like their approach to questions so far. It gives me off pings but nothing substantial yet as the majority of their posts seem to be focused on mech talk rather than actual reads. Have you gleamed any info off of Eluned for their reasons for their discard?
Daisy: i 100% believe her claim, even before they claimed their actual card. Town read for them.
Penguin: feels very NAI currently, haven’t taken any stances or given reads from what I can remember.
Nick: I like here, they seem to be trying to be proactive and sus things out. I’ve had a good chat with them privately as well, so happy with them at the moment. Given that this is their first forum game I think from how they are playing it’s unlikely they are mafia.
Eluned: haven’t heard a particularly large amount from them. We have had a good chat privately although would like them to give more reads on people. What’s your opinion of Kate so far?
Ol: suspiciously is not sus of Daisy straight of the bat. Although seems to be coming up with good logic so far. Ol why did you choose the people that you did to have a private topic with? What particular things has silver said that have pinged you?
Kratos/Zaiden/Koast/Sorazodia: haven’t said enough.
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Post by Daisy on Aug 3, 2021 10:38:41 GMT
Nick is back to neutral, Tom is now aligned same place as you. Distributive sole bottom. Would vote there but better to pressure the person not saying a word before we look at forming wagons imo.
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Post by yelyab on Aug 3, 2021 10:45:03 GMT
I have already messaged a couple of people about ordered lists but I believe that giving ordered reads lists only help mafia with who to bring with them till late game. We should avoid this going forward imo. I would disagree and say that it helps town find mafia too because faking natural read progression is tricky but that was the most comprehensive one I have planned, future reads will probably just have things/the people that stick out to me
Ngl I think you're wasting an information source if you're not paying attention to read progression as well as vote progression, but each person hunts their own way
While read progression is hard to fake and looking at read progression is important, ordered reads list aren’t the only way to do so. Have players give town read, then leans, neutral, scum leans and then scum reads means that there is still the level of uncertainty instead of mafia being about to know exactly how people are feeling.
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Post by Nick G on Aug 3, 2021 10:45:30 GMT
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- I'd rather leave it up to Eluned to explain her reasoning if she wants to, but it was related to a difference in opinions over the value of the role that I can respect.
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See previous message (below) for my reasonings: what has amelie said they discarded to you? because I believe it is different from what they said to me lol I strongly agree with Bayley about discussing the why as to why people discarded things is purely WIFOM but since you want to know the why, I guess I'll resay what I've discussed in PMs with Ol and Nick: - I don't fear of being voted out early in the game, I enjoy playing but am also chill with being voted day 1 or 2, so the allure of early protection wasn't strong - First I thought governor would be a confirmed town then realised they wouldn't and so it was suddenly a lot less attractive card to pick - knowing me I could waste the save on a mafia and that would be very town detrimental - late game the role is swing-y and my alternative felt like a more stable benefit to town/just better - etc
~And all of that was WIFOM and none of it alignment indicative~
... *I think you mean kate here I think my Zaiden vote may stay for a while
finger of suspicion at Silver because I've forgotten why I kinda was okay with them and just have a bit of a void read Yes, sorry, I meant Kate. My mistake. As for the explanation, I originally thought you'd given it in this thread, then I couldn't find it so I wasn't sure, and didn't want to write it out in case you hadn't already done so.
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Post by elunedj on Aug 3, 2021 10:47:10 GMT
... Eluned: haven’t heard a particularly large amount from them. We have had a good chat privately although would like them to give more reads on people. What’s your opinion of Kate so far?... I like Kate, as I said previously, quite strongly affected by meta but getting general good vibes as well
Ol do you town read thilbert then? If so why? at most I kinda get a neutral read, they haven't done loads besides mech talk and being confusingly confused
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Post by elunedj on Aug 3, 2021 10:49:46 GMT
I would disagree and say that it helps town find mafia too because faking natural read progression is tricky but that was the most comprehensive one I have planned, future reads will probably just have things/the people that stick out to me
Ngl I think you're wasting an information source if you're not paying attention to read progression as well as vote progression, but each person hunts their own way
While read progression is hard to fake and looking at read progression is important, ordered reads list aren’t the only way to do so. Have players give town read, then leans, neutral, scum leans and then scum reads means that there is still the level of uncertainty instead of mafia being about to know exactly how people are feeling. True I will just give paras/a sentence per person in the future
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Post by LivingAngryCheese on Aug 3, 2021 11:43:43 GMT
Just a quick update as 24 hours have now passed. Please remember to submit any skills you wish to use in your role PM BEFORE noon tomorrow. Unless you are compulsive, you will not use them otherwise. Nick's vote count is correct but I will give an official one anyway: koast: 3 - yelyab, distributive, Aegiskratos: 2 - Daisy, Nick G ABSTAIN: 2 - Zaiden, kratos kate: 1 - koast silver: 1 - Ol distributive: 1 - silver Thilbert: 1 - sorazodia yelyab: 1 - Thilbert sorazodia: 1 - kate Zaiden: 1 - elunedj koast you are currently on the chopping block!
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Post by LivingAngryCheese on Aug 3, 2021 11:45:52 GMT
Oh and also, you may submit and change your target for skills at any time, so there is no downside to submitting it early for assurance if you wish.
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Aegis
Cult Leader
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Post by Aegis on Aug 3, 2021 11:52:33 GMT
Morning all. Im glad we are talking about reads more now, seems mafia had a good chat about how to play the next day and are executing it currently. As such, Ima list off every read I have. It was fun taking pointers from Nick on spreadsheeting Kate Contrary to seemingly popular belief, I distrust Kate right now. Part of this belief is held by the thought that they are trying to setup for their partners. I haven't seen anything to contradict that perspective, nor do I see these "good town pings" that others are getting. Seems like a easy coverup right now. Their contributions sometimes can also be seen to be NAI and the role discard does nothing to save them from this read. SK says nothing at best, scum indicative at worst. Ol From when you have reappeared from under the abyss in d1-p2, I feel uneasy about your posts thus far. You are aiming way more at others than yourself, and considering the lack of convincing you have seemingly attempted to perform you are giving the vibe of caring more about your survival. Of course, politicians are known for this technique, but so far we have had a full day. Furthermore, you seem to have the most ironclad voting decisions in the whole forum, saying you will "only be willing" to vote for a few players. Surprised really that anyone here can say that with conviction. Daisy I don't trust you are vanillager. While this may be an easy meme which saves you in the early game, it can just as easily be a mafia or SK that uses this to justify late game survival. Furthermore, it only acts to make fake claiming easier, since you said it first and early. Obviously roles in this game can fact check this, but the claim was too risk free for me to confidently believe in it. I would also like further clarification on reads today. Page 2 is a long time ago. Silver No real vibes in public, and off-putting in private chat. The thing you have going for you most is your discard, but I feel like if you were town you usually enjoy taking this and amplifying it up. Making yourself a lightning rod for kills and then encouraging doctors to target you, thereby helping town get more days to consider exiles. You also don't have the luxury Thilbert has where you discard the best remaining scummy role for yourself. If anything, your actions worry me deeply, and your words haven't made things better. With that in mind though, nothing you have done right now necessitates a vote. You discarded a powerful role, thereby wait a day. Distributive From what I have understood from reading threads, you have been telling different stories to different players. In my mind, this harms your credibility considerably. To be honest, this distraction has severely tainted my view of you thus far. I know the comments that are given to me if I do this stuff, and the effect is subsequently being caused by you now I believe. However, I do not necessarily think you are scum as a result. Instead, I'd rather let you die day 4, if that gives an indication to people as to what my theory is. I think mafia may end up killing you for me. Elunedj Honestly, you seem pretty towny to me. I haven't gotten any negative pings, other than a burning internal thought that you are playing the long game. Town one shot governor does hurt your case a bit, and the justification is because I believe that role can be used on other players, so your case that you were ok with dying soon doesn't fully support your decision. Despite that, however, your actions seem to have good intent so far. So paranoia is all I am really using in argument against your case. The PM habits seem pretty good also. Thilbert You discarded mafia hider. Thats the good part. The problem is that successive posts you have made seem to rub some players up the wrong way. Here is where I say that it doesn't matter. You have made it very clear that a cop check tells them what your alignment is, and therefore your fate is going to be sealed anyway. Exiling you is probably a waste, unless we have no other avenues. And as I am trying to demonstrate, we most certainly do. Nick G I like your early game activity and discussion points. The problem is that you can and have done so as scum more than once, since it leads to a situation where we have "no credible data" against your case. Like Elunedj, scepticism is my main fighting point right now, so I like how your are doing things as of now. You are acting more proactive than defensive. Yelyab Everything you have said so far, minus your read list, is NAI talk. Hell, the read list is even maybe of that nature too. I probably will want to interrogate further, to force something out that isn't NAI, but yea. I have no reason beyond scepticism and disliking NAI talk to go against you. Sorazodia I can.....stomach your reasons for discarding seer. It still makes me think you are more likely scum, but I can accept that this is a understandable reason to some degree. You also voted Thilbert. I see your reason, but I have two points for why I am suspicious of that post. 1) It seems like you didn't get that read yourself. I know that this is easily disputed by the claim "you can't assume what I think" and yes I can't if I am trying to be unequivocally right. But I am suspicious. Its kinda how I work, and we have longer to get more on you which is more solid. 2) For reasons specified with my Thilbert comments, its pointless to vote for him. Other roles will find him out soon enough if he did play weaker scum. So, on the assumption he is town (which I am making rn), your vote seems more scummy (if only because you voted for town, and the main town I can see). Zaiden Willingly giving your discard only to the "first two players that message me" seemingly demonstrates a lack of worry about what roles and alignments you provide that information to, which thereby implies you may have a role that is not concerned with giving that info to players of worse alignments (basically, implying you are anti-town). Also, there is the whole lack of conversation thing, but I don't like that being a d1 sus reason. More so amplifies the concerns I have with the post you did send. Koast Its a shame that every part of what you have posted is something I distrust. First, you discarded a role I do think is more likely to come from scum. The reason why is private to me right now, but it doesn't sit well. This alone wouldn't actually make me sus of you whatsoever though, unfortunately your vote is a very scummy one from what I am reading. You say that Kate's role discard is suspicious, and I agree. But there is no way In my mind the reason I am worried is the reason you are talking about. Even if it was, it does not validate the read. You then give no more evidence, thereby implying the unsupported claim made that Kate is sus because of the discard is universally understood and agreeable, otherwise what you have done is posted an unsupported claim and used it to justify an exile, which seems to demonstrate a lack of concern with getting other players to agree with you. As has been demonstrated in this forum, the claim is not universally understood and agreeable. This is why I voted. As I said before, a lack of speaking is only a preferred exile if there are no better options, so I consider the justification to be insufficient. But I have given more than that here. The lack of posting only amplifies this. Kratos Hasn't posted yet. See Koast and Zaiden for why this doesn't mean much to me yet. Beyond this, I do also sus the player that discarded cop. The other roles I understand or can see better alternatives, and I do agree that the discard is not in of itself a good reason to vote and sus a player. But I feel it does require a good bit of explanation, especially when I believe it is the single best role in this game. Obviously its all my own opinion, but Im laying it down so it isn't a shock later. This does thereby mean I lean sus for this on the players that have not claimed discards, but that is a drop in the ocean right now. Disclaimer: Its day 1. I have been very harsh and negative as we have played day 1s several times (most of us at least) as well as me wanting to push this d1 into not being a NAI mess. Every player now should have ample time to defend themselves (I think, I understand if there are issues preventing that) and mainly I am incredibly sceptical generally. I am not this harsh generally, but considering this is d1 I think it will be more helpful if I am.
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Post by silver on Aug 3, 2021 12:12:28 GMT
My reads so far are: Distributive: Town leam, i like how they have gone about the game so far, while them lying about their discard to people privately might put people off their activity and play style seems very reminiscent to the previous game where they were town. Kate: as I stated before not sure on them yet, giving it more time before jumping to a conclusion, my current stance is they seem analytical but they can easily pull that off as scum and have done so in the past. Thilbert: I feel from meta reasons has most likelihood to be town, although don’t like their approach to questions so far. It gives me off pings but nothing substantial yet as the majority of their posts seem to be focused on mech talk rather than actual reads. Have you gleamed any info off of Eluned for their reasons for their discard? Daisy: i 100% believe her claim, even before they claimed their actual card. Town read for them. Penguin: feels very NAI currently, haven’t taken any stances or given reads from what I can remember. Nick: I like here, they seem to be trying to be proactive and sus things out. I’ve had a good chat with them privately as well, so happy with them at the moment. Given that this is their first forum game I think from how they are playing it’s unlikely they are mafia. Eluned: haven’t heard a particularly large amount from them. We have had a good chat privately although would like them to give more reads on people. What’s your opinion of Kate so far? Ol: suspiciously is not sus of Daisy straight of the bat. Although seems to be coming up with good logic so far. Ol why did you choose the people that you did to have a private topic with? What particular things has silver said that have pinged you? Kratos/Zaiden/Koast/Sorazodia: haven’t said enough. Forever alone, forever forgotten T^T
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koast
Vanilla Town
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Post by koast on Aug 3, 2021 12:20:06 GMT
New to forum games and been busy last couple of days so will try to increase my posts.
I think the read on Kate is perfectly valid as i don't believe for a second you would discard SK, inherently one of the more fun roles in the game. The only reason i can see for such a discard was a strong Mafia role or some kinda of other fun Neutral role. As for safe reads i don't feel its possible to really grasp a surefast townie read on anyone on D1 in games without info from the next day so i honestly have no real good reads. So i'm just probing into the discard i am most suspicious and surprised of.
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Post by silver on Aug 3, 2021 12:26:35 GMT
New to forum games and been busy last couple of days so will try to increase my posts. I think the read on Kate is perfectly valid as i don't believe for a second you would discard SK, inherently one of the more fun roles in the game. The only reason i can see for such a discard was a strong Mafia role or some kinda of other fun Neutral role. As for safe reads i don't feel its possible to really grasp a surefast townie read on anyone on D1 in games without info from the next day so i honestly have no real good reads. So i'm just probing into the discard i am most suspicious and surprised of. Id have to disagree with you there. Personally id find SK one of the less fun roles in this setup to play, due to the no. of cops and the likelihood you'd be alone in defending yourself. So itd be down to personal preference, and id imagine people could justify picking vanillager over SK in the right circumstance :3
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Post by LivingAngryCheese on Aug 3, 2021 12:29:45 GMT
Hey guys, could I request that you refer to people by their forum usernames rather than what you know them as from outside? Eg Thilbert, Aegis, Zaiden. This is confusing for those not from the society, and those who have different names from what you are used to probably wish to be called by those new names.
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koast
Vanilla Town
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Post by koast on Aug 3, 2021 12:47:49 GMT
Well this is why i think D1 sus are hard to justify via the discard pile as to me discarding SK to take a strong Mafia role is a very smart play as it can imply inocence to most people. I'm just assuming the worst case from what i personally think is an odd move. (come form Tos so I like to think SK should be taken most times as 1. helps the often struggling mafia and 2. is reallly fun if you can pull off the solo win)
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Post by Daisy on Aug 3, 2021 12:50:24 GMT
Daisy I don't trust you are vanillager. While this may be an easy meme which saves you in the early game, it can just as easily be a mafia or SK that uses this to justify late game survival. Furthermore, it only acts to make fake claiming easier, since you said it first and early. Obviously roles in this game can fact check this, but the claim was too risk free for me to confidently believe in it. I would also like further clarification on reads today. Page 2 is a long time ago. Idk, I mean no counterclaims have come through so I find it hard to see how I can not be the three of hearts in this scenario? I also don't think claiming my role this early is risk-free by any means, doing so makes me essentially a named townie and paints a massive target on my back coming into Night 1. In terms of reads I still feel Distributive is the most scummy, they've lied to p much every player in the game afaik, several times in certain scenarios, and I find it hard to believe keeping around a player who seems to want to falsify information she's giving out is a good thing in any way, shape or form. Sure, in the back of my mind I know that Distributive can do this as either alignment, but I don't know how this play stands to benefit anyone in the game bar Distributive, and I think we need to remember this is a team game, not a solo-bolo. My vote will be going on there as soon as Kratos talks, I still believe voting out someone who's contributed nothing so far is a better idea than voting out a blatant liar, but as long as Kratos gives me something I'll be on Distributive and it'll take a bit of convincing for me to believe that vote isn't a good one for today. We've also got to consider we've got less than 24 hours until we decide who to vote, so wagons are going to need to start forming soon or it's going to be a mad morning dash tomorrow.
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Post by silver on Aug 3, 2021 12:53:09 GMT
Well this is why i think D1 sus are hard to justify via the discard pile as to me discarding SK to take a strong Mafia role is a very smart play as it can imply inocence to most people. I'm just assuming the worst case from what i personally think is an odd move. (come form Tos so I like to think SK should be taken most times as 1. helps the often struggling mafia and 2. is reallly fun if you can pull off the solo win) Of course its hard to justify by the discard pile, but its a good foundation to start conversations on which could lead to developing scumreads on people. Me saying "you discarded cop, therefore your scum" isnt justified, but saying "hey you discarded cop, wanna talk about that?" is how the discussion gets rolling. The part that im trying to disagree with you is that the discard of SK doesnt mean that the other card is more likely a scum card. People can prefer town over SK, in which case the other card could be town. We dont get to choose which 2 allignments we got given, so assuming that its mafia because SK is a good discard for a mafia to do doesnt really hold up.
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