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Post by Daisy on Aug 2, 2021 14:05:08 GMT
Oh to be young and spamming again.] ZOOMER GANG ZOOMER GANG
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Post by kate on Aug 2, 2021 14:22:14 GMT
Not all cards in the discard pile were handed out in the first place. I could theoretically be gambling that no one was actually dealt the Queen of Hearts. I know this was said before the mod said all cards were handed out, but why did you assume this? There are the same amount of discards as players so unless you don't see your discard in the pile (which you do if its Queen of Hearts) then I don't get it. So Im just speedily reading and making a handy dandy graph for the discards, brb... Though for sure, I'm all for claiming the discards, because I discarded the 4 of Spades which I think is a fairly cool thing of me to do, yknow, so there's less spades and more of us awesome not-spades I feel like there's been a lot of mafia discards, including the compulsive hider which afaik is just a compulsive redirector which afaik sounds chaotic and rather fun - think of all the hidden redirecting information you could have?? So anyway whoever discarded that, lemme know your thoughts I'd suggest claiming discards not here but doing private recon because then you catch people lying. Speaking of 4 spades? Oh really.. how perculiar Why can you not catch people lying publicly? I don't see the downside to just announcing it. I discarded SK (Ace of Spades) Hi all, I think my take on the game so far is that Amelie is a lock town read due to asking if the mafia would have a daychat or not. They lack the information that the mafia would already know so must be town. In terms of claiming discards I think we can if you want but it makes no fundamental difference and doesn't give us anything to go off of unless the cards aren't mutually exclusively taken from the deck. Some people may try and argue that no one would pick VT over a power role but that has happened before and will continue to do so. In terms of my scum reads so far, this Koast guy hasn't said much of anything substantial and I would want them to think that they can do what their name says for the whole game. Vote: KoastThe cards are mutually exclusively taken from the deck, I checked this with the mod in the discord before the game, I agree the last sentence is, was just asking about the rest. The discard comment doesn't seem sarcastic, for example. Also, yea Im going to be bad reading sarcasm on forum chats XD Oh ye understandable, text is hard. The locktown on Amelie is what I was thinking was sarcasm for clarification. Asking if the mafia have day chat, and being town read because of it , is a meme for our forum games.
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Post by Aegis on Aug 2, 2021 14:45:42 GMT
And yes @aegis i can explain but you probably wont like it lol (plus i want to keep some things close to my chest while we are still figuring things out) Try me (if I just may not like incomplete logical arguments with shaky foundations. This is d1 forum game, it be like that)
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Post by elunedj on Aug 2, 2021 14:55:53 GMT
... I'd suggest claiming discards not here but doing private recon because then you catch people lying. Speaking of 4 spades? Oh really.. how perculiar Why can you not catch people lying publicly? I don't see the downside to just announcing it. I discarded SK (Ace of Spades) I'm not trying to say that you can't catch people lying publically, and I don't think it needs to be exclusively done in pms, just people lie more when they think they won't be caught out on it. Distributive initially lied about her role (just to be out in the open with it), though I'm personally not finding it v alignment indicative
Thilbert I'm not sure exactly what you misunderstood about the way the discard pile worked, clarification would be nice feel free to pm. My current thought process is could this misunderstanding not have effected your choice on which role to keep/discard and so the discard of Q heart holds less weight? (not sure on the logic of that though since I don't know what you misunderstood)
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Post by kate on Aug 2, 2021 15:06:23 GMT
I'm not trying to say that you can't catch people lying publically, and I don't think it needs to be exclusively done in pms, just people lie more when they think they won't be caught out on it. Distributive initially lied about her role (just to be out in the open with it), though I'm personally not finding it v alignment indicative
I don't know about you, but I have PMs with most of the players in the game now, I'm assuming its the same for most of the players in the game, so I don't know why anyone would think they wouldn't get caught out for lying. Everyone I've asked (including you) has either immediately told me their role, or hasn't responded yet, and assuming their doing that with everyone who's asked it doing it DMs is just the same thing as posting publicly but with more effort.
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Post by Aegis on Aug 2, 2021 15:11:09 GMT
I'm not trying to say that you can't catch people lying publically, and I don't think it needs to be exclusively done in pms, just people lie more when they think they won't be caught out on it. Distributive initially lied about her role (just to be out in the open with it), though I'm personally not finding it v alignment indicative
I don't know about you, but I have PMs with most of the players in the game now, I'm assuming its the same for most of the players in the game, so I don't know why anyone would think they wouldn't get caught out for lying. Everyone I've asked (including you) has either immediately told me their role, or hasn't responded yet, and assuming their doing that with everyone who's asked it doing it DMs is just the same thing as posting publicly but with more effort.
Wait....so everyone has not only PM'd you, but told you their role? Either you are the biggest saint in the history of this forum game, or Im heavily confused why you know say 3/5 of the roles in this game. But yea...lying about discards seems to just be a trap that everyone knows is as such.
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Post by Nick G on Aug 2, 2021 15:12:49 GMT
I don't know about you, but I have PMs with most of the players in the game now, I'm assuming its the same for most of the players in the game, so I don't know why anyone would think they wouldn't get caught out for lying. Everyone I've asked (including you) has either immediately told me their role, or hasn't responded yet, and assuming their doing that with everyone who's asked it doing it DMs is just the same thing as posting publicly but with more effort.
Wait....so everyone has not only PM'd you, but told you their role? Either you are the biggest saint in the history of this forum game, or Im heavily confused why you know say 3/5 of the roles in this game. But yea...lying about discards seems to just be a trap that everyone knows is as such. I assume Kate means she knows the discards, rather than the actual roles. I agree that it would be simpler to discuss all the claims in public, although I'm quite enjoying the ability to use private chats.
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Post by kate on Aug 2, 2021 15:16:51 GMT
Yeah, sorry, I meant the discards. I really needed to grammar check that post before I sent it. Speaking of discards. @aegis and yelyab, either of you willing to state what you discarded publicly?
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Post by elunedj on Aug 2, 2021 15:18:30 GMT
I'm not trying to say that you can't catch people lying publically, and I don't think it needs to be exclusively done in pms, just people lie more when they think they won't be caught out on it. Distributive initially lied about her role (just to be out in the open with it), though I'm personally not finding it v alignment indicative
I don't know about you, but I have PMs with most of the players in the game now, I'm assuming its the same for most of the players in the game, so I don't know why anyone would think they wouldn't get caught out for lying. Everyone I've asked (including you) has either immediately told me their role, or hasn't responded yet, and assuming their doing that with everyone who's asked it doing it DMs is just the same thing as posting publicly but with more effort.
I think at this point I agree, early on though I didn't get that vibe especially since someone did actually lie to me in PMs, so my view was probably at least skewed by that & enjoying the new pm mechanic
Card I discarded: 7 hearts
I don't have PMs with everyone :<
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Post by Nick G on Aug 2, 2021 15:22:34 GMT
I've not got PMs with everyone either, although I have a few bits of information. I may as well state it publicly though: I discarded the Five of Spades (Mafia Goon).
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Post by Aegis on Aug 2, 2021 15:32:12 GMT
Yeah, sorry, I meant the discards. I really needed to grammar check that post before I sent it. Speaking of discards. @aegis and yelyab , either of you willing to state what you discarded publicly? I haven't stated it. Publicly or otherwise. Not really wanting to start doing so now. I feel the way we are talking about discards is a tad messy and I want to wait for everyone to give a stance on how they want to take claiming of both their real and discarded roles before I speak. Feel it be fair that way. I stated before about the discarding thing basically being confirmed. I mean, why lie about the discards d1? As long as I say it before end of d1, what does it matter? Mine is nothing special anyway, just kinda wanting to be polite to the forum. As for the other thing, that's fine. Was just humorous to me as I imagined you basically being a second mod that is given every player's role by the players.
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Post by Nick G on Aug 2, 2021 15:36:42 GMT
Yeah, sorry, I meant the discards. I really needed to grammar check that post before I sent it. Speaking of discards. @aegis and yelyab , either of you willing to state what you discarded publicly? I haven't stated it. Publicly or otherwise. Not really wanting to start doing so now. I feel the way we are talking about discards is a tad messy and I want to wait for everyone to give a stance on how they want to take claiming of both their real and discarded roles before I speak. Feel it be fair that way. I stated before about the discarding thing basically being confirmed. I mean, why lie about the discards d1? As long as I say it before end of d1, what does it matter? Mine is nothing special anyway, just kinda wanting to be polite to the forum. As for the other thing, that's fine. Was just humorous to me as I imagined you basically being a second mod that is given every player's role by the players. I'm not sure that claiming the chosen roles is a good idea at this point unless someone really has to explain themselves (unlikely), as from the look of it, we may be short on investigative roles because of the discards, and theoretically we might not even have any protectives (although we've not seen any discarded, so I can hope). "Omniscient Townie" should be a role in future. You know everything about the game, but can't tell anyone any information that you were told pre-game.
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Post by Thilbert on Aug 2, 2021 16:25:38 GMT
I feel the way we are talking about discards is a tad messy and I want to wait for everyone to give a stance on how they want to take claiming of both their real and discarded roles before I speak. Feel it be fair that way. My stance is that I'd like for everyone's discards to be public knowledge by 12pm tomorrow, but I don't really want anyone to claim unless we're seriously thinking about giving them the boot.
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Post by Thilbert on Aug 2, 2021 16:34:35 GMT
Not all cards in the discard pile were handed out in the first place. I could theoretically be gambling that no one was actually dealt the Queen of Hearts. I know this was said before the mod said all cards were handed out, but why did you assume this? There are the same amount of discards as players so unless you don't see your discard in the pile (which you do if its Queen of Hearts) then I don't get it. It wasn't an assumption so much as me misremembering. I remembered that there were more roles in the deck than were going to be dealt out and something about us not being able to know something for sure. I guess with the weirdness of not being told who discarded what, I conflated these pieces of information, because otherwise in my head I thought we'd all just state what we discarded, no-one would dare lie and it would be the same is if we had just been told who discarded what.
As for how I missed the fact that the number of discards matched the number of players, I only skimmed the discard pile at the start because it was all in card form and so it was all just white noise to me. I wasn't about to flick back and forth between two seperate apps on my phone on motorway internet to unravel it so I just moved on. I figured it was more important to get everyone to stick to a claim first, and then we can analyse what exactly everyone has discarded later.
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Post by silver on Aug 2, 2021 16:38:22 GMT
so, distributive, how ya doin? VOTE: distributive I feel as though you've been pretty damn busy with that dice you keep rolling lol Wanna talk about some stuff?
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Post by Thilbert on Aug 2, 2021 16:39:16 GMT
Thilbert I'm not sure exactly what you misunderstood about the way the discard pile worked, clarification would be nice feel free to pm. My current thought process is could this misunderstanding not have effected your choice on which role to keep/discard and so the discard of Q heart holds less weight? (not sure on the logic of that though since I don't know what you misunderstood)
I thought the discard pile would contain all the roles not in the game, but I realise now that would be silly as then we'd know exactly what roles ARE in the game.
I only talked about gambling to try and convince people that it was very unlikely I was lying about discarding the Queen of Hearts because it was a dumb risk that could easily bite me in the arse. Then the mod reminded me that lying there would have been even dumber than I'd thought.
As for your last point, I'll be honest, the only thing that factored into my role decision was that one card was mafia and the other was town.
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Post by yelyab on Aug 2, 2021 16:43:33 GMT
To answer anyone's questions about the sarcasm of my previous post, I was sarcastically town-locking Amelie due to memes. I do think that talking about discards is pretty irrelevant to the game and focusing on them too much will end in wasted time. In response to kate's clarifications and statements. Thank you for confirming the card draws, another reason to not focus on them. I am deeply hurt that you have a private topic with everyone but not me. Pretty sus, are you planning to kill me night 1 so don't need to put time and effort into getting me to town read you? All jokes aside, I think that I have a pretty horrific record of reading you in forum games so I'm going to leave reading you for a while until I have more to go on Thilbert for me gets town points for meta reasons due to setup and how it works, more so than other players. However I haven't particularly liked anything they have said so far. I would prefer if they spent more time giving reads and less talking about mech. @ageis had very strong penguin vibes from the start and I quite like them for asking players what their stance is on discards rather than just asking people to claim. The unique POV is something I think I would associate with town Penguin but not 100% sure yet will see. I do want them to talk more about other players going forward. distributive is for me a shining beacon of towniness is a sea of murky neutral. Leaving the sarcasm from before aside, I feel like they are playing very similarly to how they played the last forum game. For me atm, I feel like that is genuine and not forced so am happy to give them my first town lean. What do other players think? koast, my vote stays on you for now, how are you doing today? What's your opinion on the setup? Do you think we should be talking about discards? To anyone that hasn't been mentioned, apologises, I will give more comments when I've seen more.
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Post by silver on Aug 2, 2021 16:46:03 GMT
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Post by Thilbert on Aug 2, 2021 16:50:43 GMT
Hey Nick G, you discarded the 5 of Spades, right?
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Post by Thilbert on Aug 2, 2021 16:56:35 GMT
To answer anyone's questions about the sarcasm of my previous post, I was sarcastically town-locking Amelie due to memes. I do think that talking about discards is pretty irrelevant to the game and focusing on them too much will end in wasted time. Oh wow, I'd assumed the whole post was sarcasm because I thought that take was deliberately bad, lol. I really don't know why you'd be opposed to people giving us more info about how they're playing this game, especially as that gives us more to read people on.
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Post by Aegis on Aug 2, 2021 17:00:57 GMT
Yeah, sorry, I meant the discards. I really needed to grammar check that post before I sent it. Speaking of discards. @aegis and yelyab , either of you willing to state what you discarded publicly? I haven't stated it. Publicly or otherwise. Not really wanting to start doing so now. I feel the way we are talking about discards is a tad messy and I want to wait for everyone to give a stance on how they want to take claiming of both their real and discarded roles before I speak. Feel it be fair that way. I stated before about the discarding thing basically being confirmed. I mean, why lie about the discards d1? As long as I say it before end of d1, what does it matter? Mine is nothing special anyway, just kinda wanting to be polite to the forum. As for the other thing, that's fine. Was just humorous to me as I imagined you basically being a second mod that is given every player's role by the players. After thinking for a bit, I've just realised a little problem. While I think it is polite to wait until the players all provide a perspective on how we claim the discarded roles (notably, for the moment), a few facts have presented themselves to me. Bayley's comment is fair. We don't want this to be the main discussion point, and saving it till d1-p2 will just harm more than help. Furthermore, it has been brought to my attention that my role is kinda controversial. I would have preferred to make a comment on it later, since that's more my style, but I know these games to not like that sort of thing where I give difficult info at the end and then we skip past the night phase. Im prob going to lose that lovely town comment from Bayley because of this, and Im sorry if I sound hypocritical, but I just...think we have now got our act together on the whole claiming thing and thus I will contribute. Once again, apologies. If I didn't discard what I did, I would stand by my original comment. The card I discarded was the 9 of diamonds (Jester). And yes Bayley, I will talk about other players. Just want to wait a bit for more info.
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Post by Thilbert on Aug 2, 2021 17:04:10 GMT
You know what, at least Ollie has claimed a discard.
Vote: Yelyab
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Post by Nick G on Aug 2, 2021 17:06:27 GMT
I've not got PMs with everyone either, although I have a few bits of information. I may as well state it publicly though: I discarded the Five of Spades (Mafia Goon). Hey Nick G , you discarded the 5 of Spades, right? Correct.
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Post by yelyab on Aug 2, 2021 17:08:53 GMT
I haven't stated it. Publicly or otherwise. Not really wanting to start doing so now. I feel the way we are talking about discards is a tad messy and I want to wait for everyone to give a stance on how they want to take claiming of both their real and discarded roles before I speak. Feel it be fair that way. I stated before about the discarding thing basically being confirmed. I mean, why lie about the discards d1? As long as I say it before end of d1, what does it matter? Mine is nothing special anyway, just kinda wanting to be polite to the forum. As for the other thing, that's fine. Was just humorous to me as I imagined you basically being a second mod that is given every player's role by the players. After thinking for a bit, I've just realised a little problem. While I think it is polite to wait until the players all provide a perspective on how we claim the discarded roles (notably, for the moment), a few facts have presented themselves to me. Bayley's comment is fair. We don't want this to be the main discussion point, and saving it till d1-p2 will just harm more than help. Furthermore, it has been brought to my attention that my role is kinda controversial. I would have preferred to make a comment on it later, since that's more my style, but I know these games to not like that sort of thing where I give difficult info at the end and then we skip past the night phase. Im prob going to lose that lovely town comment from Bayley because of this, and Im sorry if I sound hypocritical, but I just...think we have now got our act together on the whole claiming thing and thus I will contribute. Once again, apologies. If I didn't discard what I did, I would stand by my original comment. The card I discarded was the 9 of diamonds (Jester). And yes Bayley, I will talk about other players. Just want to wait a bit for more info. I don't think discarding Jester is particularly bad especially for a forum style game due to Jester being less fun when it's not. "You killed me, I win." and the game is over in 40 mins. I think the comments you've made so far are good, so my read still stands. To answer anyone's questions about the sarcasm of my previous post, I was sarcastically town-locking Amelie due to memes. I do think that talking about discards is pretty irrelevant to the game and focusing on them too much will end in wasted time. Oh wow, I'd assumed the whole post was sarcasm because I thought that take was deliberately bad, lol. I really don't know why you'd be opposed to people giving us more info about how they're playing this game, especially as that gives us more to read people on. What solid information are you getting from what people discarded?
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Post by Thilbert on Aug 2, 2021 17:10:40 GMT
I thought I'd caught you in a lie but turns out I just missed two of the discarded cards in my spreadsheet xD
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Post by Nick G on Aug 2, 2021 17:14:11 GMT
I thought I'd caught you in a lie but turns out I just missed two of the discarded cards in my spreadsheet xD All hail the glorious spreadsheets! I shall forgive you on this occasion.
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Post by Thilbert on Aug 2, 2021 17:15:44 GMT
What solid information are you getting from what people discarded? I think Eluned, plus whoever discarded Cop and Escort have some explaining to do. And I like Amelie for what she discarded.
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Post by Daisy on Aug 2, 2021 17:20:06 GMT
What solid information are you getting from what people discarded? I think Eluned, plus whoever discarded Cop and Escort have some explaining to do. And I like Amelie for what she discarded. I discarded the escort, hi.
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Post by Aegis on Aug 2, 2021 17:21:05 GMT
I think Eluned, plus whoever discarded Cop and Escort have some explaining to do. And I like Amelie for what she discarded. I discarded the escort, hi. *Puts gun to your head*
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Post by Daisy on Aug 2, 2021 17:26:56 GMT
I mean I was gonna wait for someone to ask but I might as well jump the gun (hehe, that's a nice pun based on the previous Aegis message) and explain.
Y'all know me, I much prefer a lower-pressure game where I can just vibe n chill, and I opted to be a vanillager because that would mean I wouldn't have to worry as much about me memeing maybe a little bit too hard, and ofc y'all know this is an option I take in a lot in greater idea games as well, as you can just sorta sit back and watch the chaos unfold.
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