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Post by Ban Hydras on Nov 29, 2020 21:12:04 GMT
Which son of a gun @ed me? 👿 How am I supposed to play toxic Among Us games in random lobbies in peace when I'm getting notifications from this random forum mafia site? Also, can you get rid of that guy who criticises me for having an adblocker whenever I open this, Elements? Thanks -BenBen
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Post by Byron on Nov 29, 2020 21:15:38 GMT
Regarding votes for buildings. Before the end of each day, send me your vote via PM for which building you think should be built. The votes will be anonymous and the building announced at the end of the night phase. The building with the most vote will be built. Construction will finish at the end of the next day phase after the next building has been voted on. Ah, so from my reading of this we don't get to see votes?
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Post by Ban Hydras on Nov 29, 2020 21:17:50 GMT
ThilbertWas it you that @ed me and sent me a notification? Stop that immediately if so. I'm pretty sure the site automatically censors your password for crewmate logs if you type it out btw. Here, look: ************** That's my password but it just appears as stars to you, right? Give it a try. yelyabHi, bayley. I know you would never @ me so I won't bother asking if you did. You seem less enthusiastic about this game compared to others in the past. Struggling to get into it? Busy? -Bensy
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Post by Ban Hydras on Nov 29, 2020 21:18:59 GMT
Regarding votes for buildings. Ah, so from my reading of this we don't get to see votes? Votes are anonymously PMed, so yeah Ben-
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Post by Thilbert on Nov 29, 2020 21:20:34 GMT
Thilbert Was it you that @ed me and sent me a notification? Stop that immediately if so. Plkease, I'm a professional. I think it was Kate *shakes fist at sky*.
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Post by Thilbert on Nov 29, 2020 21:21:38 GMT
Ah, this seems like a good time to bring up the fact that we really shouldn't edit posts *cough* henrysmith *cough*.
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Post by Ban Hydras on Nov 29, 2020 21:22:14 GMT
I'm not gonna vote yet, mostly because we have another two weeks, but also because I think the reasons distributive seems sus are things mafia wouldn't do. Her posts have been attention grabbing, when a vast majority of players haven't even spoken yet! There's no reason for mafia to say or do anything even slightly suspect right now, and she did two things that would draw attention and scrutiny. I'm cool with em, even if jester isn't in game. I just can't believe a mafia would be so openly friendly and supportive to a new player so early on, and I also can't believe they'd also ask about mafia having a separate forum. They'd gain nothing from it! So far I think I agree with you here, everything Distributive has done so far seems like WIFOM and NAI. I wouldn't go so far as to say I townlean them but definitely neutral still for me. The only thing that gives me pause for thought is the stopping people voting for me. With 8 votes for a hammer I don't see harm in people voting although there are better targets imo. distributive's probably done more AI things than anyone else in the thread so far. If you look closely in mafia games in general, a lot of things can be AI if you look hard enough, it's just hard to tell in what way most of the time. The fear of bandwagons/pressure is really dodgy. distributive: you never addressed my or Sarah's point on that. Why you so scared of those things? -Benjamin
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Post by Byron on Nov 29, 2020 21:26:31 GMT
Ah, so from my reading of this we don't get to see votes? Votes are anonymously PMed, so yeah Ben- In which case I don't see why, not discussing the building that we would like, is a good idea. Effectively the mafia could coordinate (if able) and decide on which building they think is best for them. If we don't know how many or who voted for which then there doesn't seem to be any benefit and in fact I think it will hinder us in the long run. As such I think we should share what we think each would do and what we should vote for. Personally I like the sound of hospital and farm, while server bank seems like it could be quite interesting.
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Post by distributive on Nov 29, 2020 21:42:14 GMT
Amelie tried to get the standard meta-talk fully expecting to be scum-read for it. Getting scared by a whopping two votes on someone seems kinda sketchy. The fear of bandwagons/pressure is really dodgy. distributive : you never addressed my or Sarah's point on that. Why you so scared of those things? Well this I can argue against: I'm a cowaaard.
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Post by henrysmith on Nov 29, 2020 21:47:56 GMT
Ah, this seems like a good time to bring up the fact that we really shouldn't edit posts *cough* henrysmith *cough*. AAA I'll stop that right away! @all - Am I missing something but what do we gain from a private vote day one. It seems like people will (more than likely) spread their votes randomly among the buildings but then mafia would coordinate their vote. I don't think we get to see the votes on each of the buildings? I agree with this, let's kick off that discussion! I'm voting to erect a lightning rod because I'm Ernie, the ship's computer, and anything involving electricity gets an A* from me. Also because the role description on the deceased said that a lightning rod diverted all power roles used at night to a single player. If we have a doctor (or, eventually, a medical bay) that sounds like a free night of no kills for town. Alternately, even if we can't save the target of the lightning rod, we can probably just put people in it to see if mafia will shoot or not - diverting kills away from valuable roles, and confirming peoples' innocence or guilt based on whether they die. To me it sounds like a dream come true, and a little more kill power for town. and even though I'm secretly mafia, I want to give town their best chance.
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Post by henrysmith on Nov 29, 2020 21:58:17 GMT
One quick thought, this is a hidden info game where all of us know stuff the other's don't. If someone pushes for an unusual and specific building, and it seems weird because you don't know what it does, I think it is best to just go with it.
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Post by Byron on Nov 29, 2020 22:01:45 GMT
Ah, this seems like a good time to bring up the fact that we really shouldn't edit posts *cough* henrysmith *cough*. AAA I'll stop that right away! @all - Am I missing something but what do we gain from a private vote day one. It seems like people will (more than likely) spread their votes randomly among the buildings but then mafia would coordinate their vote. I don't think we get to see the votes on each of the buildings? I agree with this, let's kick off that discussion! I'm voting to erect a lightning rod because I'm Ernie, the ship's computer, and anything involving electricity gets an A* from me. Also because the role description on the deceased said that a lightning rod diverted all power roles used at night to a single player. If we have a doctor (or, eventually, a medical bay) that sounds like a free night of no kills for town. Alternately, even if we can't save the target of the lightning rod, we can probably just put people in it to see if mafia will shoot or not - diverting kills away from valuable roles, and confirming peoples' innocence or guilt based on whether they die. To me it sounds like a dream come true, and a little more kill power for town. and even though I'm secretly mafia, I want to give town their best chance. A compelling case indeed, would you build this before the hospital? What are your thoughts on the server bank, could be a medium esc ability although that seems hard to implement. What do you think of the Zaiden/Sarahs' interactions so far in comparison to Distributive/Sarahs'?
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Post by Byron on Nov 29, 2020 22:02:54 GMT
One quick thought, this is a hidden info game where all of us know stuff the other's don't. If someone pushes for an unusual and specific building, and it seems weird because you don't know what it does, I think it is best to just go with it. Spoken like someone that has a reason to go for a specific and unusual building that doesn't want people to ask to many questions about xD
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Post by distributive on Nov 29, 2020 22:05:45 GMT
I'd imagine the buildings have some general effect that blanket affects the whole game when they're built, given there's no real concept of hammering. Given the blind auction nature we really should discuss as a group before making any decisions. Thank god I say things.
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Post by henrysmith on Nov 29, 2020 22:14:50 GMT
One quick thought, this is a hidden info game where all of us know stuff the other's don't. If someone pushes for an unusual and specific building, and it seems weird because you don't know what it does, I think it is best to just go with it. Spoken like someone that has a reason to go for a specific and unusual building that doesn't want people to ask to many questions about xD I actually don't have any personal reason to go for the lightning rod but reading the information we got from the person who died night 0: You are also a 4-shot lightning rod. 4 times during the game you may activate causing all night roles to target you Makes me go Oooo I'll have a delve into those interactions if you like. My gut instinct is that shan-jun is acting sus, but that's maybe just shan-jun being shan-jun. I think sarah dived right into it with enthusiasm for discussion that I'd normally associate with mafia, but here I associate with genuine investment (welcome to the game, Sarah, by the way!) Amelie seems fine but whenever I played with her I found her hard to read. Tbh I'm very rusty on mafia, I've never played forum mafia, and I'm not going to trust myself to make accurate personality reads! Because of that, I'm eager to hear people's initial thoughts about buildings before making more concrete calls
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Post by henrysmith on Nov 29, 2020 22:21:44 GMT
You are the town god. You are the only one that gets to decide who will be eliminated. You are also a reflexive roleblocker meaning you will roleblock anyone that tries to target you. You are also a 4-shot lightning rod. 4 times during the game you may activate causing all night roles to target you. To be honest this role is totally broken and means town is 100% going to win so as long as you don't do anything to annoy the mod you should be fine. You win when only the town remain. Please confirm by replying with you role and win condition.
Rereading this, please note that it confirms that we have at least one roleblocker in the game! Otherwise, this guy wouldn't have died I assume the town god activated on night zero (expecting to roleblock everyone), another roleblocker targeted them, and they simply got dogpiled by every single gunshot fired that night lmaoo. Alternately, it's louis memeing on us
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Post by Elements on Nov 29, 2020 22:24:41 GMT
You are the town god. You are the only one that gets to decide who will be eliminated. You are also a reflexive roleblocker meaning you will roleblock anyone that tries to target you. You are also a 4-shot lightning rod. 4 times during the game you may activate causing all night roles to target you. To be honest this role is totally broken and means town is 100% going to win so as long as you don't do anything to annoy the mod you should be fine. You win when only the town remain. Please confirm by replying with you role and win condition.
Rereading this, please note that it confirms that we have at least one roleblocker in the game! Otherwise, this guy wouldn't have died I assume the town god activated on night zero (expecting to roleblock everyone), another roleblocker targeted them, and they simply got dogpiled by every single gunshot fired that night lmaoo. Alternately, it's louis memeing on us I will clarify that Pandamonium is one of my alts and the N0 death is entirely for the flavour of the captain dying and to give an example role pm. Nothing useful will come from analysing it.
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Post by henrysmith on Nov 29, 2020 22:26:00 GMT
I will clarify that Pandamonium is one of my alts and the N0 death is entirely for the flavour of the captain dying and to give an example role pm. Nothing useful will come from analysing it. That Would Have Been Helpful To Know Some Time Ago Louis
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Post by Thilbert on Nov 29, 2020 22:26:13 GMT
Rereading this, please note that it confirms that we have at least one roleblocker in the game! Otherwise, this guy wouldn't have died I assume the town god activated on night zero (expecting to roleblock everyone), another roleblocker targeted them, and they simply got dogpiled by every single gunshot fired that night lmaoo. Alternately, it's louis memeing on us There was no night 0. Pandemonium is one of El's alt accounts, and the "Town God" role is just a meme. Merging the death of the ship's captain in flavour with the mechanics of players dying in game.
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Post by redleader on Nov 29, 2020 22:26:42 GMT
"Help me Thilbert, you're my only hope." Responses: Sarah: Tbh I wasn't reading Bayley at all at the time and was having a thesaurus-based chuckle. See read for more info. Not sure how I can break down distributive's prose on this forum with my lack of abilities in that field. See preface and read. Byron: We have had enough mech talk for my liking at this point. Discussion of precisely what individuals are voting is a bad idea. I have no takes on the hydras, other than the below: Preface: Like most of you, I will not be taking day 1 eminently serious and will withhold hard reading many people until consistent read lists are published and relationships emerge, the theatrically of which I can determine at the time. This is blatantly obvious, but sarah's questioning me so I better buck my shit up. Reads: distributive: Downgrading my read to neutral, and not just because she asked me to. Seems slightly too self-aware. The comment on what people should be reading her as got to me. Thilbert: Love the flavour, and will sorely miss it when some unforeseen frantic action causes him to speed up. No read. Zaiden: Lots of concessions for others' points of view is nice. Byron: Asking questions is good. Townlean. Some of those questions are empty. Sarah: Townread. Wish I cared enough to scumhunt this hard at the start of a 14-day day. Salient point about Zaiden's boldness, even if it is NAI. yelyab: First set of reads seemed quite simplistic. Frowning at him to starting anxiously spiralling like the rest of us, but will wait for another weak post before voting. Questions: yelyab: Given there's a 50% chance you're fearful of me, I shall press you while this is still the case. What is your read of Byron? If you have a Thilbert read at this point I'd love to hear it too. henrysmith: How was your birthday? What should I think of Zaiden's politeness and long-winded sentence structure? thecouncil: I am trying to build an non-flammable bandwagon on jcraster before he posts. Would you be up for that (after an internal debate and vote)? ***TESTING GROUND*** ***TESTING GROUND*** ***TESTING GROUND*** Using [ssssspoiler] at the start and [/ssssspoiler] at the end
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Post by Thilbert on Nov 29, 2020 22:26:55 GMT
Ah, they beat me to it.
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Post by Sarah on Nov 29, 2020 22:28:22 GMT
I'm not gonna vote yet, mostly because we have another two weeks, but also because I think the reasons distributive seems sus are things mafia wouldn't do. Her posts have been attention grabbing, when a vast majority of players haven't even spoken yet! There's no reason for mafia to say or do anything even slightly suspect right now, and she did two things that would draw attention and scrutiny. I'm cool with em, even if jester isn't in game. I just can't believe a mafia would be so openly friendly and supportive to a new player so early on, and I also can't believe they'd also ask about mafia having a separate forum. They'd gain nothing from it!
everything here feels weeeeeird you suspected distributive earlier but now you're moving the goalposts on why you don't want to vote them. If you thought this stuff earlier then why did you just say jester which is such a weaker reason than this? it feels kinda like you went looking for more reasons between these two posts mafia not being friendly is like what? mafia want to get people on their side right? didn't distributive say the daytalk think was a meme question too
Yay townreads. Everyone give me your love C: Cicero here. Agatha and Benji are currently locked u--- I mean away on a business trip. Ban Hydras Thanks for the tip. I finally figured out how to '@' you properly. Sarah : I apologise on behalf of the council. We have merely been responding to people, if you had a question directed at us, we may have just missed it. henrysmith : Happy Belated Birthday! Byron : It seems we're getting dragged into this mechtalk so I'll be brief on behalf of the others. Personal opinion on building talks, with the lack of current information on what these buildings do and how they benefit people. I recently found out from our Detective that they may be more than one Imposter among us. However, we as crewmates surely outnumber the Imposters. We wanted to use the private voting of buildings on D1. So that on D2, we see what happens and reveal what we each chose to build and why like we previously mentioned. We have no info, I may be reading too much but this setup seems to be based off Among Us, Imposters could easily sabotage buildings if they know what's being built IF they had that ability. There's no harm in not talking about buildings on D1 but everyone else can talk about it if they want, it's free speech. With regards to distributive, I just think all the mechtalk has been NAI. But I haven't read into it too deeply, waiting for half the lobby to speak up over the next couple of days. @everyone: Apologies for the minor personality change as the other two are not here. Just '@' me if you have anything questions or elaborate more. It's likely I'll be the one answering you for the next couple of days.
it doesn't feel especially proactive to just read through stuff to respond rather than posting your thoughts on it, like if you were bad you'd avoid putting your thoughts in as much that way
but i do like you in general so that's something you should all feel good about for now [pretend i put a devlish face smiley here]
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Post by thecouncil on Nov 29, 2020 22:29:44 GMT
C: Byron distributive henrysmith Is there anything wrong with having anonymous voting for building constructs on D1. Then revealing what we voted for on D2. Town has no reason to lie what they voted for even if it's anonymous. And it gets revealed to us what was built at the end of the night. Having discussion about it on D1 means we lose out on random voting on D1. And depending on what ability scum has, they could sabotage the building construct. They could manipulate town to build the construct they want with a good argument because we have no idea what each building actually does. We don't even know if scum have a day chat, so they can't discuss what they want to build unless then had a pre-game chat. What's wrong with delaying discussion on buildings for ONE day after flips? There's pros and cons for both side of the argument. I just think there's more pros in delaying it for a day but that's just my opinion
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Post by thecouncil on Nov 29, 2020 22:31:16 GMT
I will clarify that Pandamonium is one of my alts and the N0 death is entirely for the flavour of the captain dying and to give an example role pm. Nothing useful will come from analysing it. That Would Have Been Helpful To Know Some Time Ago Louis C: Alternatively, you should not make assumptions. Always ask the mod if you're unsure
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Post by Thilbert on Nov 29, 2020 22:33:34 GMT
Before the end of each day, send me your vote via PM for which building you think should be built. The votes will be anonymous and the building announced at the end of the night phase. The building with the most vote will be built. Construction will finish at the end of the next day phase after the next building has been voted on. I know votes will be anonymous, but do we get told how many people voted for each option or does the building just appear at the end of day 2?
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Post by Milktoffee on Nov 29, 2020 22:34:51 GMT
Hello everyone. I'm still under the effects of leaving my cryostasis pod, but I'm ready to get into the action. Since the votes of the buildings are anonymous, I think it would be better to state what our preferences on buildings are. Seeing what people want and why they do would be more useful than questioning people after the building has been decided. That being said, Elements will the number of votes cast for each building be revealed? Or will we only know which building got the most votes? If it is the former, then there is probably more of an argument for keeping our vote decisions to ourselves n1 as we can more keenly distinguish in the second day who voted for what. If it is the latter, then I would argue getting information on peoples' preferences before the vote is more useful, especially if the presumed building choice in the day changes during the night.
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Post by Elements on Nov 29, 2020 22:42:32 GMT
You will be informed of the building with the most votes at the end of D2 when construction is finished. That is all you will be told.
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Post by Thilbert on Nov 29, 2020 22:44:31 GMT
Elements will the number of votes cast for each building be revealed? Or will we only know which building got the most votes? If it is the former, then there is probably more of an argument for keeping our vote decisions to ourselves n1 as we can more keenly distinguish in the second day who voted for what. If it is the latter, then I would argue getting information on peoples' preferences before the vote is more useful, especially if the presumed building choice in the day changes during the night. I know votes will be anonymous, but do we get told how many people voted for each option or does the building just appear at the end of day 2? We have plenty of time to wait for a response to these questions, and I would like to do so before we go too deep into discussing building preferences
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Post by Thilbert on Nov 29, 2020 22:45:32 GMT
Ok, I guess we should talk about buildings we vote on the. Clearly the Radio Tower is superior to all. Fight me.
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Post by thecouncil on Nov 29, 2020 22:56:49 GMT
C: redleader Unfortunately there will be no internal debate for a while with the other two away. I wouldn't mind a non-flammable wagon on jcraster seeing as he hasn't posted yet. There's not much harm there. I still think even with anonymous voting, town would still tell the truth of what building they voted for after N1. They would still make the argument of why they voted it. Also I'd suggest forming reads early but not strong reads, however if everyone shared their reads list in full, it helps scum decide what to do on N1. Form town reads for yourselves so that you can narrow down the pool to scumhunt. I locked in my vote for a building construct to be built anyhow. I refuse to be influenced by anyone regarding my initial choice.
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