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Post by Hectic on Jul 8, 2019 10:27:36 GMT
Zaiden: I'm more than happy to have you claim your bidding group since you literally admitted to placing no bids in the night, so there is no risk of giving mafia any information of where items may lie. vj: We want mafia to reveal bidding groups so they get less information about which town are in which bidding groups.
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Post by Zaiden on Jul 8, 2019 10:29:33 GMT
But Hectic does seem to be trying to make a conscious effort to townread people. Though it could always be a mafia’s emotional way of winning town over to his side to back him up. Also, I suppose Arnie hasn’t tried to townread anyone at all so far, despite his contributions. ArnieDelsey, who do you town/scum read so far? Vote: AurimasWhile Hectic claims he was joking, I want to know why you seem convinced he is and totally dismiss the potential issues behind stuff he’s said. I also want to hear more from Sam and Jackoclypse as to their reads on the game and players so far.
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Post by yelyab on Jul 8, 2019 10:30:06 GMT
Someone says they’d be happy to reveal, then can’t because another person already revealed their items. -- agreed Also, a member of mafia might come forwards and present an absolutely bullshit list of fictitious items, with everyone assuming it’s perfectly valid. -- how is this going to work in mafias favor? I think the way to solve this problem would be to not announce that you are happy to reveal until after the other people have revealed then there is no harm no foul? I think this works but I’m up for discussion on it
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Post by Hectic on Jul 8, 2019 10:31:20 GMT
Zaiden: Are you ever going to stop evading and answer the question I've linked to you 3 times now?
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Post by yelyab on Jul 8, 2019 10:32:50 GMT
Zaiden: Are you ever going to stop evading and answer the question I've linked to you 3 times now? I’m quite interested in this as well. What is the benefit of not aquiring an item?
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Post by Hectic on Jul 8, 2019 10:33:08 GMT
Also, please claim your bidding group items then, Zaiden. Better we get it out now for discussion, then we can talk about if and who we want to have reveal next.
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Post by kate on Jul 8, 2019 10:34:43 GMT
I agree that getting the most suspicious people to reveal their items is ideal, but in practise this probably gives away more information about bidding groups, since it’s unlikely the three most suspicious people are in different groups. It’s much easier if after Zaiden, two other people that aren’t in that group post what items they had available until we have three lists. Maybe each day after this we have the most suspicious person start.
I don’t think think we have to worry about mafia lying about he items available to them. We will be able to spot a fake set of items if someone’s list hasn’t been posted and we already have three, and we can tell which list is a lie by having other people confirm it.
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Post by yelyab on Jul 8, 2019 10:37:02 GMT
I agree that getting the most suspicious people to reveal their items is ideal, but in practise this probably gives away more information about bidding groups, since it’s unlikely the three most suspicious people are in different groups. It’s much easier if after Zaiden, two other people that aren’t in that group post what items they had available until we have three lists. Maybe each day after this we have the most suspicious person start. I don’t think think we have to worry about mafia lying about he items available to them. We will be able to spot a fake set of items if someone’s list hasn’t been posted and we already have three, and we can tell which list is a lie by having other people confirm it. I agree with this. The problem with the fake list is a mute one, I think Xaiden should definately start and then 2 others.
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Post by vj on Jul 8, 2019 10:37:12 GMT
Someone says they’d be happy to reveal, then can’t because another person already revealed their items. -- agreed Also, a member of mafia might come forwards and present an absolutely bullshit list of fictitious items, with everyone assuming it’s perfectly valid. -- how is this going to work in mafias favor? I think the way to solve this problem would be to not announce that you are happy to reveal until after the other people have revealed then there is no harm no foul? I think this works but I’m up for discussion on it Agreed. Zaiden, i would also like to know the items in ur bidding group
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Post by Zaiden on Jul 8, 2019 10:46:38 GMT
Cluedo Card: Killer Ketchup Buyer’s remorse Keylogger Will
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Post by Hectic on Jul 8, 2019 10:49:19 GMT
Now that Zaiden's claimed his items, please don't indicate in any way whether you recognise them; discuss them as if you're seeing them for the first time. Townleaning Vj for this post where he's unaware of anti-collusion methods for mafia, as well as his willingness to claim his items, which wouldn't help his team if he was mafia.
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Post by Zaiden on Jul 8, 2019 10:53:08 GMT
I could not name a benefit for not buying items. But I can’t think of many positives when we know so little at this point in time. For the most part, I was being cautious N1. But I thought that much should be obvious.
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Post by Zaiden on Jul 8, 2019 10:56:14 GMT
Don’t see why vj gets a townread off a post like that. I don’t see how that would be against mafia’s interests. To me, it just seems like Hectic is freely distributing townreads without giving much thought and putting out scumreads against people who he considers to be against his position.
Vj’s post doesn’t say much, and the other game they played where they were scum mostly consisted of piecemeal contributions like that which seemed to be beneficial to town but were actually a load of hot air.
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Post by Hectic on Jul 8, 2019 10:58:59 GMT
I could not name a benefit for not buying items. But I can’t think of many positives when we know so little at this point in time. For the most part, I was being cautious N1. But I thought that much should be obvious. Why not place a minimum bid at the very least? Sure, we had little information at that time, but we were all on equal footing in that regard, what were you being cautious of? Most important of all, why did you reveal to everyone that you had placed no bids?
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Post by Zaiden on Jul 8, 2019 11:00:43 GMT
Also, I’m done for the day. About to head off to an arrangement that’ll probably last until the evening. If any further developments take place, I’ll have to check them later. But be absolutely wary of Hectic distorting the direction of things. Or others for that matter.
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Post by yelyab on Jul 8, 2019 11:01:23 GMT
Cluedo Card: Killer Ketchup Buyer’s remorse Keylogger Will What are people’s opinions on the list? To me will looks like it could be a death speech kind of thing, buyer’s remorse seems like it could be something to do with day auction maybe meaning that other players get their gold back?
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Post by Hectic on Jul 8, 2019 11:02:46 GMT
Don’t see why vj gets a townread off a post like that. I don’t see how that would be against mafia’s interests. To me, it just seems like Hectic is freely distributing townreads without giving much thought and putting out scumreads against people who he considers to be against his position. Vj’s post doesn’t say much, and the other game they played where they were scum mostly consisted of piecemeal contributions like that which seemed to be beneficial to town but were actually a load of hot air. It's a sensible question from town's point of view but something that's obvious for mafia, which they probably wouldn't think of asking. Him volunteering means mafia knows less about what town are in specific bidding groups. Remember, this is a townlean, not a townread. Leans are not less substantial and can change reasonably easily. I've been giving out reads to try and sort out the game and develop interactions between players so we can find scum; I want people commenting on them.
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Post by Hectic on Jul 8, 2019 11:03:18 GMT
*Leans are less substantial
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Post by Zaiden on Jul 8, 2019 11:03:21 GMT
Because we need information to work off. I’m happy to put out something I personally consider negligible like that, and to see how other people react. You dominating the discourse, setting the tone and painting me out to be bad have all but confirmed to me that you’re scum, in addition to the other point I will keep under wraps for now.
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Post by yelyab on Jul 8, 2019 11:04:57 GMT
Don’t see why vj gets a townread off a post like that. I don’t see how that would be against mafia’s interests. To me, it just seems like Hectic is freely distributing townreads without giving much thought and putting out scumreads against people who he considers to be against his position. Vj’s post doesn’t say much, and the other game they played where they were scum mostly consisted of piecemeal contributions like that which seemed to be beneficial to town but were actually a load of hot air. It's a sensible question from town's point of view but something that's obvious for mafia, which they probably wouldn't think of asking. Him volunteering means mafia knows less about what town are in specific bidding groups. Remember, this is a townlean, not a townread. Leans are not less substantial and can change reasonably easily. I've been giving out reads to try and sort out the game and develop interactions between players so we can find scum; I want people commenting on them. VJ’s post did stick out to me at the time as a more town thing to do.
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Post by yelyab on Jul 8, 2019 11:07:55 GMT
Because we need information to work off. I’m happy to put out something I personally consider negligible like that, and to see how other people react. You dominating the discourse, setting the tone and painting me out to be bad have all but confirmed to me that you’re scum, in addition to the other point I will keep under wraps for now. To me this sounds suspicious if you are going to reveal you have more information why not reveal it straight away? What is the benefit of keeping the information to yourself, especially if you want to convince others that hectic is scummy?
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Post by vj on Jul 8, 2019 11:07:59 GMT
Cluedo Card: Killer Ketchup Buyer’s remorse Keylogger Will Cluedo Card : Killer - is obviously linked in some way to the board. Ketchup : can't think of anything Buyer's remorse : might be something which has some kind of negative effect or something Keylogger : this is very interesting- might be some kind of investigative ability Will : most probably something like passing all ur gold to someone else once the person is dead
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Post by Hectic on Jul 8, 2019 11:13:03 GMT
It's not negligible at all though, I even brought it up in my second post to prevent people from claiming it.
>"have all but confirmed to me that you’re scum":
I don't like this at all, you can develop scumreads early on but saying someone is confirmed scum is hard to do so early as town, and seems mostly based on the fact that I'm attacking you and trying to figure out if you're scum.
I'm gonna have to go back and look at Zaiden's previous games later to see if he's done something like this before. I do remember that he has a very reactionary playstlye, so I'll have to remind myself of it.
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Post by kate on Jul 8, 2019 11:45:02 GMT
Cluedo Card: Killer Ketchup Buyer’s remorse Keylogger Will Buyers remorse might allow you to return an item for a refund. Keylogger could be an investigative ability that lets you check if someone can talk during the night or not. Will probably lets you make a post after you die. Ketchup and Cluedo Card: Killer are harder to guess. The card might something with the board, but I’d be surprised if it didn’t also do something by itself. Maybe a vig shot since it’s a killer card? It’s especially hard to guess since James most likely didn’t base it off of the actual Cluedo rules. Ketchup could be fake blood, although I don’t know how that relates to a mafia ability. Or maybe it’s also part of a pair (maybe someone has chips) like the Cluedo card could potentially be with the board.
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Post by elunedj on Jul 8, 2019 12:10:14 GMT
Helllloo everyone,
Very late contribution as busy weekend & took me a while to read through everything
My thoughts; roles probably revolve around items & gold, Zaiden is confusing for not placing bids in N1, Ketchup - some v. bad ideas but someone could be looking for condiments/fake blood?, Will - death speech and/or passing on items/money to chosen person, Buyer’s remorse - refunded or punitive item, idk if it’s play style but I don’t typically think that whoever accuses me is bad I’d get defensive but the “have all but confirmed to me that you’re scum” is confusing I guess the “other point I will keep under wraps for now” may be the reason..?
Hectic: “Suspicious placement of the j, expected it to be somewhere closer to the middle.”
^If I discovered how to make a superscript j then my name would be correct but unfortunately not :’(
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Post by yelyab on Jul 8, 2019 12:22:00 GMT
Could the ketchup be sort of an item that led you appear dead for a night, out there but could be interesting?
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Post by yelyab on Jul 8, 2019 12:22:41 GMT
Helllloo everyone, Very late contribution as busy weekend & took me a while to read through everything My thoughts; roles probably revolve around items & gold, Zaiden is confusing for not placing bids in N1, Ketchup - some v. bad ideas but someone could be looking for condiments/fake blood?, Will - death speech and/or passing on items/money to chosen person, Buyer’s remorse - refunded or punitive item, idk if it’s play style but I don’t typically think that whoever accuses me is bad I’d get defensive but the “have all but confirmed to me that you’re scum” is confusing I guess the “other point I will keep under wraps for now” may be the reason..? Hectic: “Suspicious placement of the j, expected it to be somewhere closer to the middle.” ^If I discovered how to make a superscript j then my name would be correct but unfortunately not :’( Suspicious number of ‘l’s in hello 🤔
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Post by Hectic on Jul 8, 2019 12:34:47 GMT
I think Elunedj has to be 100% mafia here, if she were town, she would've used her day vig shot by now.
Scumlean on Kate for her information instead of analysis approach to the game, where she is commenting on the setup and items, but hasn't said anything in regards to who is scum or town.
Therefore, I would like to point my FINGER OF SUSPICION at Kate.
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Post by yelyab on Jul 8, 2019 12:45:26 GMT
I think Elunedj has to be 100% mafia here, if she were town, she would've used her day vig shot by now. Scumlean on Kate for her information instead of analysis approach to the game, where she is commenting on the setup and items, but hasn't said anything in regards to who is scum or town. Therefore, I would like to point my FINGER OF SUSPICION at Kate. 😂😂😂
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Post by yelyab on Jul 8, 2019 12:45:57 GMT
Could hectic be a meme related role?
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