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Post by Daisy on Dec 11, 2022 18:19:47 GMT
Daisy Oh, very clever. Whatever you’ve got planned, forget it. I’m the Doctor. I’m nine hundred and four years old. I’m from the planet Gallifrey in the constellation of Kasterborous. I’m am the Oncoming Storm. The Bringer of Darkness. And you are basically just meme’ing, aren’t you? Okay, carry on. Just a general… warning.
Great reference we love to see it. [/i] Tom Whoever is playing under that account isn’t likely to reveal themselves. - From reading back on the account, it may have originally been an alt for Ben (A.K.A. Hopkirk), but there’s been constant debate on who is or isn’t using that account at any one time.
- DK/Ben repeatedly denied and/or refused to address being one and the same in the last forum game, even after they were killed off. The posting style and attitude towards the game did match up with what I (and others) would expect from Ben, even accounting for confirmation bias. (If it wasn’t Ben, they either had a similar playstyle or were mimicking Ben’s playstyle, and they definitely had prior knowledge of how some of us played. Thinking back now, it technically could have matched up to Ibad, but I’m not sure about anyone else.)
- Their content already looks different from last game and from what I would typically expect of Ben, but that doesn’t mean it’s not Ben doing that intentionally.
- It’s likely pointless trying to work out exactly who is behind the account for this particular game, as they likely won’t confirm even if we do guess correctly. (Elements should know due to the rule about signing up with an alt account, but they don’t have to tell us and arguably shouldn’t.)
[/quote] Ok I agree that it doesn't help the gamestate but figuring out who DK is sounds FUN ok nick Also cause of the colour text slip-up my tinfoil hat now says that either Ashe/Luke switched accounts for memes and got a bit disorganised or Ashe/Luke are communicating together privately about the game (hence why after the first slip it went back to normal), which would only be possible if they were mafia together. luke why did you type in colour and then move back to plain ol white text? ashera why did you only use your signiture typing colour from your 2nd post onwards?
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Post by Daisy on Dec 11, 2022 18:20:14 GMT
oh hell yea that post was a clear formatting W I nailed it
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Post by luke on Dec 11, 2022 18:24:43 GMT
Daisy Oh, very clever. Whatever you’ve got planned, forget it. I’m the Doctor. I’m nine hundred and four years old. I’m from the planet Gallifrey in the constellation of Kasterborous. I’m am the Oncoming Storm. The Bringer of Darkness. And you are basically just meme’ing, aren’t you? Okay, carry on. Just a general… warning.
Great reference we love to see it. [/i] Tom Whoever is playing under that account isn’t likely to reveal themselves. - From reading back on the account, it may have originally been an alt for Ben (A.K.A. Hopkirk), but there’s been constant debate on who is or isn’t using that account at any one time.
- DK/Ben repeatedly denied and/or refused to address being one and the same in the last forum game, even after they were killed off. The posting style and attitude towards the game did match up with what I (and others) would expect from Ben, even accounting for confirmation bias. (If it wasn’t Ben, they either had a similar playstyle or were mimicking Ben’s playstyle, and they definitely had prior knowledge of how some of us played. Thinking back now, it technically could have matched up to Ibad, but I’m not sure about anyone else.)
- Their content already looks different from last game and from what I would typically expect of Ben, but that doesn’t mean it’s not Ben doing that intentionally.
- It’s likely pointless trying to work out exactly who is behind the account for this particular game, as they likely won’t confirm even if we do guess correctly. (Elements should know due to the rule about signing up with an alt account, but they don’t have to tell us and arguably shouldn’t.)
[/quote] Ok I agree that it doesn't help the gamestate but figuring out who DK is sounds FUN ok nick Also cause of the colour text slip-up my tinfoil hat now says that either Ashe/Luke switched accounts for memes and got a bit disorganised or Ashe/Luke are communicating together privately about the game (hence why after the first slip it went back to normal), which would only be possible if they were mafia together. luke why did you type in colour and then move back to plain ol white text? ashera why did you only use your signiture typing colour from your 2nd post onwards?[/quote] I typed in purple because Ashera voted me and they like that colour
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Post by luke on Dec 11, 2022 18:25:31 GMT
oh hell yea that post was a clear formatting W I nailed it Yeah this website 😮💨
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Post by Nick G on Dec 11, 2022 18:37:21 GMT
Daisy- I’m not telling people not to try and figure out the identity of the person behind the DK account, I’m just saying it’s probably not going to get a conclusive answer. I’m sure I’ll spend most of the game paranoid about their identity too. I was simply bringing Tom up to speed on the topic, given that there was a lot of discussion around this in the last game.
- If you’re trying to split a quote, it may be easier to copy the quote text twice and simply delete half of the content from each quote. (It’s what I’ve done in the past.) I’m likely to run afoul of formatting issues as well, due to the my infamous technical issues.
On the other business, I do love a bit of paranoia!
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Post by Elements on Dec 11, 2022 18:43:52 GMT
Vote count 1.1Current votes Daisy S-4: Demesne KingDemesne King S-4: DaisyNot voting: Luke, Ashera, Tom, Hannah, Nick G, MollyWith 8 alive it takes 5 to treestump someone. Link to the rules
Link to previous votecountLink to next votecountDay 1 will end either when a player reaches a majority or votes or at whatever time I wake up on Monday the 19th
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Post by Nick G on Dec 11, 2022 19:45:57 GMT
On the topic of voting: - Given that the mechanics allow for an early exile by majority, as opposed to just end-of-day plurality, I don’t really want to rush into anything, particularly as today’s voting/posts will be our only information if a Town player is voted out today and the game goes into a final 3. (Given that the overnight treestumping decision analysis could well turn into WIFOM.)
- Rushing into an exile is also in Mafia’s favour (obviously so long as it isn’t a vote on one of their own). If Mafia get the opportunity to hammer a Townie, they could do that and simply treestump the person that hammered as the necessary Goon stumping.
- Just because someone isn’t instantly hammered doesn’t necessarily mean that the subject of the wagon is Mafia. Both Mafia might already be on the wagon, or perhaps one is on and they don’t want both on. Equally they could also decide to wait it out to make the wagon subject look suspicious due to the reasoning in the previous bullet point.
While at least some of it does ultimately come down to WIFOM, I think there are good reasons not to risk putting anyone at T-1 until the late stages of this dayphase.
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Post by Daisy on Dec 11, 2022 20:24:51 GMT
Ah dang I think I actually like Nick this game can't believe it
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Post by Daisy on Dec 11, 2022 20:39:02 GMT
Daisy - I’m not telling people not to try and figure out the identity of the person behind the DK account, I’m just saying it’s probably not going to get a conclusive answer. I’m sure I’ll spend most of the game paranoid about their identity too. I was simply bringing Tom up to speed on the topic, given that there was a lot of discussion around this in the last game.
- If you’re trying to split a quote, it may be easier to copy the quote text twice and simply delete half of the content from each quote. (It’s what I’ve done in the past.) I’m likely to run afoul of formatting issues as well, due to the my infamous technical issues.
On the other business, I do love a bit of paranoia!
- Okok I see what you mean
- Yea that's what I tired to do but I went a bit brain afk as I'm stuck on my laptop right now and must've fudged something up.
Also um Nick likes paranoia?? you know who else loves paranoia? Town because town need to be paranoid and sus people awh yeah see he's so good I was so wrong. On the topic of voting: - Given that the mechanics allow for an early exile by majority, as opposed to just end-of-day plurality, I don’t really want to rush into anything, particularly as today’s voting/posts will be our only information if a Town player is voted out today and the game goes into a final 3. (Given that the overnight treestumping decision analysis could well turn into WIFOM.)
- Rushing into an exile is also in Mafia’s favour (obviously so long as it isn’t a vote on one of their own). If Mafia get the opportunity to hammer a Townie, they could do that and simply treestump the person that hammered as the necessary Goon stumping.
- Just because someone isn’t instantly hammered doesn’t necessarily mean that the subject of the wagon is Mafia. Both Mafia might already be on the wagon, or perhaps one is on and they don’t want both on. Equally they could also decide to wait it out to make the wagon subject look suspicious due to the reasoning in the previous bullet point.
While at least some of it does ultimately come down to WIFOM, I think there are good reasons not to risk putting anyone at T-1 until the late stages of this dayphase.
Yea this is a rly good point, we ned to be careful about wagons and the like. I still think throwing around votes is rly useful just make sure we're aware when things are getting to S-2/S-1 territory defo.
Ok so Page 2 Nick was definitely scum and Page 3 he's my best town read so far this game's going great for me dsglkj
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Post by ashera on Dec 11, 2022 20:49:34 GMT
Here's something which might get some 'mafia' going: how many alignment-indicative posts have there been so far by your count? Not which ones, just a number I'm just not smart enough for this sort of question. Maybe 2? 3? nonahInteresting, but largely problematic Ok so. Back when this forum game was announced, I expressed joy at being able to use cf88ff. Luke responded with something along the lines of "No one can read it" and never clarified if that was a joke, or if my typing quirk was actually a detriment on the game experience. It also happens that my first messages were on mobile, which is just a bit more of a hassle to colour.
Then, when Luke typed in colour, I assumed that he had been joking, and that I was free to do whatever I wanted, so decided to type in colour from then on. I also unvoted them because of the colour, which he's admitted was the clear plan.
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Post by ashera on Dec 11, 2022 20:51:59 GMT
You love to see it. The four things Daisy said that I was trying to respond to, in order:
either Ashe/Luke switched accounts for memes and got a bit disorganised
Ashe/Luke are communicating together privately about the game
which would only be possible if they were mafia together.
ashera why did you only use your signiture typing colour from your 2nd post onwards?
Apologies, y'all (this is the sort of thing where colour becomes useful tho)
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Post by Daisy on Dec 11, 2022 20:52:14 GMT
ok forum formatting is kind of 1v1ing the entire lobby right now but I love the suspense of knowing something I've said is "interesting, but largely problematic" hehe
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Post by Daisy on Dec 11, 2022 20:54:51 GMT
Hmmm... I remain sus of Luke/Ashera but their explanations make a bit of sense. Yes text colour is the biggest tell I'm going off it's page 3 shushh
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Post by ashera on Dec 11, 2022 21:00:44 GMT
ok forum formatting is kind of 1v1ing the entire lobby right now but I love the suspense of knowing something I've said is "interesting, but largely problematic" hehe Pretty hecking sus if you ask me
Vote: Daisy
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Molly
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That's a nice thing you've said! Let's see how I can relate it back to Ratchet and Clank
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Post by Molly on Dec 11, 2022 21:01:24 GMT
Ok but real talk. Everything just seems kinda arbitrary until someone dies. What should we be doing right now?
Unvote: Luke Here's something which might get some 'mafia' going: how many alignment-indicative posts have there been so far by your count? Not which ones, just a number I am trying to figure out what this means, if this means what I think this means (how many posts are there that indicate someone's allignment) then I'd say like 1 and that's it? But it could also be a WIFOM and now I'm remembering why I don't like Chardonnay
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Post by ashera on Dec 11, 2022 21:03:27 GMT
Here's something which might get some 'mafia' going: how many alignment-indicative posts have there been so far by your count? Not which ones, just a number I am trying to figure out what this means, if this means what I think this means (how many posts are there that indicate someone's allignment) then I'd say like 1 and that's it? But it could also be a WIFOM and now I'm remembering why I don't like Chardonnay I'm gonna increase my previous answer to 4, solely based on how funny this response is.
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Post by Nick G on Dec 11, 2022 21:17:58 GMT
Daisy- Out of curiosity, what makes me suspicious on page 2? (I only had 1 post at the end of page 2, which was a mix of mechanics talk, speculation on Demesne King’s current identity (or that there is no point speculating) and Doctor Who quotes. Or is this just more messing around?)
- I’m not objecting to the odd vote here and there, although I generally believe that very early votes (maybe first 24-48 hours in a game like this?) tend not to be particularly indicative unless there is a sudden serious conflict or wagon that develops from it. It’s more that I just don’t want someone accidentally (or “accidentally”) putting us at T-1 early on, letting a Mafia hammer a Townie and going into a final 3 with very limited information.
- I’ll be honest, I’m also slightly confused why I’m being town-read for my page 3 posts - one throwaway comment about paranoia, and more mechanics / generic strategy talk that is usually regarded as NAI for me.
Luke’s question about the number of alignment-indicative posts is interesting, but honestly I’d struggle to identify alignment-indicative content versus NAI content this early in the game, given that most “reads” this early on will be intentionally fabricated/exaggerated for fun, or reading someone’s personal meta / NAI behaviour as alignment-indicative based on a more general meta (see my comments above regarding Daisy’s apparent town-read on me for mechanics talk about generally favourable strategies based on setup mechanics).
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Post by Daisy on Dec 11, 2022 21:31:11 GMT
Daisy - Out of curiosity, what makes me suspicious on page 2? (I only had 1 post at the end of page 2, which was a mix of mechanics talk, speculation on Demesne King’s current identity (or that there is no point speculating) and Doctor Who quotes. Or is this just more messing around?)
- I’m not objecting to the odd vote here and there, although I generally believe that very early votes (maybe first 24-48 hours in a game like this?) tend not to be particularly indicative unless there is a sudden serious conflict or wagon that develops from it. It’s more that I just don’t want someone accidentally (or “accidentally”) putting us at T-1 early on, letting a Mafia hammer a Townie and going into a final 3 with very limited information.
- I’ll be honest, I’m also slightly confused why I’m being town-read for my page 3 posts - one throwaway comment about paranoia, and more mechanics / generic strategy talk that is usually regarded as NAI for me.
Luke’s question about the number of alignment-indicative posts is interesting, but honestly I’d struggle to identify alignment-indicative content versus NAI content this early in the game, given that most “reads” this early on will be intentionally fabricated/exaggerated for fun, or reading someone’s personal meta / NAI behaviour as alignment-indicative based on a more general meta (see my comments above regarding Daisy’s apparent town-read on me for mechanics talk about generally favourable strategies based on setup mechanics).
Honestly I just like to pick someone to sus or townread (depending on how I feel) at the start of a forum game to kick off some votes/discussion. This game, I picked you to sus. But then you were the main producer of info on these pages and you've covered a lot of important ground. Sure I know you do this a lot regardless of alignment but my gut likes you now
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Post by luke on Dec 11, 2022 21:44:01 GMT
A few questions:
Nick, what do you think of Daisy?
Ashera, you mentioned that I used the purple colour to get you to unvote me, and then admitted as much. Do you not find this suspicious?
Molly, which post involved/induced WIFOM?
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Molly
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That's a nice thing you've said! Let's see how I can relate it back to Ratchet and Clank
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Post by Molly on Dec 11, 2022 21:58:51 GMT
On the topic of voting: - Given that the mechanics allow for an early exile by majority, as opposed to just end-of-day plurality, I don’t really want to rush into anything, particularly as today’s voting/posts will be our only information if a Town player is voted out today and the game goes into a final 3. (Given that the overnight treestumping decision analysis could well turn into WIFOM.)
- Rushing into an exile is also in Mafia’s favour (obviously so long as it isn’t a vote on one of their own). If Mafia get the opportunity to hammer a Townie, they could do that and simply treestump the person that hammered as the necessary Goon stumping.
- Just because someone isn’t instantly hammered doesn’t necessarily mean that the subject of the wagon is Mafia. Both Mafia might already be on the wagon, or perhaps one is on and they don’t want both on. Equally they could also decide to wait it out to make the wagon subject look suspicious due to the reasoning in the previous bullet point.
While at least some of it does ultimately come down to WIFOM, I think there are good reasons not to risk putting anyone at T-1 until the late stages of this dayphase.
This post is the one that I kinda think could be alligment indicative, but it could also be WIFOM cuz it could be mafia saying that to appear good to town, at least that's how I see it? But then again I overlook a lot of things.
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Post by ashera on Dec 11, 2022 22:30:41 GMT
Ashera, you mentioned that I used the purple colour to get you to unvote me, and then admitted as much. Do you not find this suspicious? It's day 1, I'm just going along with whatever amuses me right now. It was very obvious what you were doing, but I wouldn't change my decision.
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Post by Nick G on Dec 12, 2022 7:01:39 GMT
Daisy- That’s fair. I was just curious because I had just managed to get a post on before the end of page 2, so I didn’t know if the suspicion was the initial finger-pointing (which is fairly standard for you), or you disagreed with / found something suspicious with my post on that page (most of which was mech talk / context / messing around).
Molly - I appreciate that this was a response to Luke rather than myself, but I would like to comment on it. - I obviously can’t tell you how to read me or my posts, but personally I’d have said that my analysis of mechanics / general strategy is fairly NAI, particularly in the first day or two of the game.
- I generally struggle with “gut” reads (usually making Day 1 fairly tricky in general for me - I usually go for the quiet people or anyone who really feels off, but everyone has already engaged at least a little so far today so that’s somewhat ruled out), so I tend to rely on what objective information is available and analyse that, which usually means the setup rules.
- I appreciate that I was Town in both of those circumstances (before someone accuses me of trying to slip that particular fact under the radar for someone else to pick up on), but the last two forum games are decent examples of this: my early posts were typically based on analysing discarded roles (both games were based on the Greater Idea concept) with a primarily Town-sided commentary. I’ll admit that I’d have likely done this as Mafia in both cases.
luke- As mentioned above, I tend to struggle with “gut” reads. Nothing that Daisy has done so far has struck me as a particular alignment; pushing a player just to start a conversation early on is easily within both Daisy’s Town and Mafia playbooks, and there’s long been a joke rivalry between the two of us.
- Just because of the amount of engagement compared to some other players so far, I’m probably disinclined to see Daisy as suspicious right now (at least partially due to my first day bias of being suspicious of the quiet people).
I’m probably going to have to rely more on objective analysis (e.g. votes and standard metas, etc.) in this game due to my lack of familiarity with the majority of this game’s roster.- Daisy is the only player that I have played a considerable amount of Mafia with, and their playstyle does seem to vary over time.
- I’ve played only one forum game with Molly, Ashera and yourself, I believe, and maybe a little bit of Discord mafia. (I’ve not played on discord since sometime in the previous academic year, and not consistently since around summer 2021.) My only memorable point of reference will be the last forum game, meaning I’m relying on other people’s knowledge of your playstyle, and your forum game posts as one particular role/alignment that may be NAI or alignment-indicative.
- I don’t think I have played with either Tom or Hannah before in any medium, but please forgive me if I’m wrong about that. I’ll have to judge them on typical meta and my very unreliable gut reads.
- Demesne King is, well, Demesne King. If they’ve been to all-nighters as far back as the 2019-2020 academic year (or were a regular member for that year), then I’m likely to have played with them. But it looks like they aren’t planning on revealing who they are, so that’s not really going to help me there. I’ll probably have to read them based on general meta, albeit with a tendency towards accepting atypical play that matches with what I remember of Ben’s particular strategy in case it really is Ben.
Having said very little beyond excuses and declaring my own behaviour to NAI, I wish you all luck in being a little more productive than I have been.
Great men are forged in fire. It is the privilege of lesser men to light the flame.
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Post by Daisy on Dec 12, 2022 15:47:00 GMT
I'm bored
Unvote: Demesne King Vote: Luke
Hey Luke what do you think of Nick? I noticed he's answered your question and I'm wondering if that changes your read on him at all.
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Post by luke on Dec 12, 2022 16:41:13 GMT
I'm bored
Unvote: Demesne King Vote: Luke
Hey Luke what do you think of Nick? I noticed he's answered your question and I'm wondering if that changes your read on him at all.
Sort of remains at null/scum really. Effort is +town, but I've seen Mafia take on the same pseudo-administrative role with the advice on voting etc. I want to wait for Tom, Hannah and Esh to post more before I vote though.
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Post by luke on Dec 12, 2022 16:41:57 GMT
Idk why I said Esh was in the game, Ethan said he was but he isn't
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Post by Nick G on Dec 12, 2022 17:11:11 GMT
I'm bored
Unvote: Demesne King Vote: Luke
Hey Luke what do you think of Nick? I noticed he's answered your question and I'm wondering if that changes your read on him at all.
Sort of remains at null/scum really. Effort is +town, but I've seen Mafia take on the same pseudo-administrative role with the advice on voting etc. I want to wait for Tom, Hannah and Esh to post more before I vote though. Okay, I’ll take the bait (and likely get accused of being defensive / over-reacting)… I completely understand the “null” part, but I’m curious about how the simple possibility of a style of play being something Mafia could do (and let’s be honest, almost everything can be a Mafia play, depending on how chaotic/manipulative a player you are, short of complete game-throwing) makes something more likely to be anti-Town than pro-Town?
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Post by Demesne King on Dec 12, 2022 17:11:59 GMT
Tom Whoever is playing under that account isn’t likely to reveal themselves. - From reading back on the account, it may have originally been an alt for Ben (A.K.A. Hopkirk), but there’s been constant debate on who is or isn’t using that account at any one time.
- DK/Ben repeatedly denied and/or refused to address being one and the same in the last forum game, even after they were killed off. The posting style and attitude towards the game did match up with what I (and others) would expect from Ben, even accounting for confirmation bias. (If it wasn’t Ben, they either had a similar playstyle or were mimicking Ben’s playstyle, and they definitely had prior knowledge of how some of us played. Thinking back now, it technically could have matched up to Ibad, but I’m not sure about anyone else.)
- Their content already looks different from last game and from what I would typically expect of Ben, but that doesn’t mean it’s not Ben doing that intentionally.
- It’s likely pointless trying to work out exactly who is behind the account for this particular game, as they likely won’t confirm even if we do guess correctly. (Elements should know due to the rule about signing up with an alt account, but they don’t have to tell us and arguably shouldn’t.)
My name is Sally I was a member of the society like 5 years ago but go off On a more general note, and this may come down to WIFOM, but I don’t think we’re likely to see any serious bussing in this setup. - If the bus actually results in an treestump, Mafia lose.
- Assuming that a Town member is treestumped today, the Mafia choose who remains alive for the final 3. So any debate around who looks suspicious due to not voting any flipped Mafia members can probably be reduced to WIFOM due to Mafia leaving alive a Townie who trusted one of the Mafia who was voluntarily treestumped.
Isn't this exactly the reason we would see bussing?? There's nothing objective to go on today so the most lkiely outcome is a town vote then we use today to work out tomorrow. You seem to be the person who says the most can anyone tell me if thats a town thing or a mafia thing for Nick?
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Post by Demesne King on Dec 12, 2022 17:13:13 GMT
I'm bored
Unvote: Demesne King Vote: Luke
Hey Luke what do you think of Nick? I noticed he's answered your question and I'm wondering if that changes your read on him at all.
I'm sorry!! We can still have a 1v1 if you want or we can vote Luke together!
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Post by luke on Dec 12, 2022 17:17:23 GMT
Sort of remains at null/scum really. Effort is +town, but I've seen Mafia take on the same pseudo-administrative role with the advice on voting etc. I want to wait for Tom, Hannah and Esh to post more before I vote though. Okay, I’ll take the bait (and likely get accused of being defensive / over-reacting)… I completely understand the “null” part, but I’m curious about how the simple possibility of a style of play being something Mafia could do (and let’s be honest, almost everything can be a Mafia play, depending on how chaotic/manipulative a player you are, short of complete game-throwing) makes something more likely to be anti-Town than pro-Town? A preference for mech/play advice talk over giving reads is what I don't like, and I saw it when you gave a pretty neutral answer on Daisy. She's my only townread, and the fact that you're not even charitable enough to give a townlean there means that either we're thinking completely differently or you're not being genuine.
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Post by Nick G on Dec 12, 2022 17:38:56 GMT
Demesne King- Okay, well that sorts that. Either it’s someone I don’t know, or Ben going complete alt (this is basically just paranoia now) - either way, any knowledge of Ben’s playstyle is functionally useless in this game.
- I would think the first bullet point in my post that you referenced is a fairly solid reason not to bus: if the bus gains too much traction and results in a Mafia treestump, Mafia auto-lose. I’m not denying that we’ll see minor bussing, but I don’t think we’re going to see full-on attacks unless a Mafia who is close to getting voted goes after their teammate to create an apparent Town vs Town conflict.
- I’m fairly sure I wasn’t meant to be included in the “anyone” bracket, but it’s usually NAI for me. Long posts and mechanics/strategy talk is basically my default playstyle, particularly in forum games where we have more time to think.
luke
- At the risk of being accused of weaponising my own game history, isn’t mech talk / objective analysis what I started my two previous forum games with? (One of which you were in.) In which I was Town on both occasions, and in which multiple people have previously stated is fairly typical for me. The main reason this is even more objective / less “read-y” is because we don’t have role discards to objectively analyse individual players for, just the general setup rules.
- Daisy going for meme votes Day 1 is NAI for her, unless her playstyle has changed significantly since previous forum games or when we used to both be at Discord Mafia sessions. I’m hesitant to give gut reads (something I’ve already admitted I’m not good at) on someone exhibiting behaviour I believe is NAI for their personal meta.
- Being suspicious of me for not following your own train of thought is an interesting line of reasoning and one I want to watch unfold. (Trying to influence/control people’s reads when we don’t yet have much to go on, at least in my opinion, due to the nature of the discussion so far, is something I’m usually a little suspicious of.)
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