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Post by pandamonium on Jul 10, 2019 21:27:11 GMT
General premise:
Town vs Mafia vs Neutral
Mafia have high killing power
Evil neutral presence that gets stronger every time someone dies
Mechanics:
Multiple lives
Mediums
Resurrections
Fake Deaths
Hidden Flips
Variable ability power
Thoughts?
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Post by jcraster on Jul 10, 2019 21:44:16 GMT
If you want to make this a closed setup, it's a bit difficult to discuss. By "high", I assume you mean 2 or more kills?
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Post by pandamonium on Jul 10, 2019 21:51:42 GMT
Yea, closed setup ideally. I just wanted a general idea if people would think this would work. And yes that is what I meant
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Post by pandamonium on Jul 10, 2019 22:16:53 GMT
jcraster what is a good number of game days for a forum game to last?
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Post by jcraster on Jul 10, 2019 22:26:53 GMT
I have played in 3 forum games here, and I have never survived past D3, so I can't really comment xD. The day phases get faster and faster with elimination (assuming on average 1.7 average kills per day/night cycle), so I wouldn't be too concerned about length.
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Post by Benjamin on Jul 10, 2019 22:39:07 GMT
6-7 days for our typical player count.
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Post by pandamonium on Jul 10, 2019 23:00:38 GMT
What roles are normally considered bastard?
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Post by jcraster on Jul 10, 2019 23:04:46 GMT
Are all flips hidden? I think that resurrections would require that, if you don't want too many confirmed town. As for multiple lives - what do you mean by that: effectively X-shot bulletproof+lynchproof? (I think this would slow the game down and might get a bit unfair for mafia.) I like the idea of fake deaths, that would have to be for 1 cycle only though. You could even give scum that power provided it made night action impossible; that way it can't be gamed to resolve lylo in mafia's favour. I could definitely see this being fun in person, but I don't know much about forum games, really - I'm not sure how removing flips would affect the game.
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Post by jcraster on Jul 10, 2019 23:06:54 GMT
There's a wiki page on the subject: wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bastard_ModYou might be able to find a setup without flips on the wiki, too. (Ofc you'd want death speeches, the game is impossible without them without compensatory investigative power) Maybe a lot of treestumps would fit thematically, too. |
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Post by Benjamin on Jul 10, 2019 23:18:00 GMT
S tier: don't use.
Anything where the mod lies to the players (fake info in role pm, told you do x when you do y etc)- especially in a role pm.
Cults or any form of alignment changing.
A tier: Make the game worse.
Usurper, Death miller, Suicidal, Random outcome roles (% to work etc), Silencer, voteless, Goo
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B tier: If you've got a good excuse I guess.
Survivor, lyncher
C tier: Some people would consider these bastard, but we use them a lot in games so they're more expected than would normally be
Jester, Bamboozler, Bus driver, Janitor, Multiverse Air Traffic Deity etc
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Post by pandamonium on Jul 10, 2019 23:22:32 GMT
Are all flips hidden? I think that resurrections would require that, if you don't want too many confirmed town. As for multiple lives - what do you mean by that: effectively X-shot bulletproof+lynchproof? (I think this would slow the game down and might get a bit unfair for mafia.) I like the idea of fake deaths, that would have to be for 1 cycle only though. You could even give scum that power provided it made night action impossible; that way it can't be gamed to resolve lylo in mafia's favour. I could definitely see this being fun in person, but I don't know much about forum games, really - I'm not sure how removing flips would affect the game. I was thinking of making shorter day night cycles to combat the extra length. With the mafia kills, they'd be able to assign them in any way they want so either go all out on one player to definitely kill them or perhaps whittle down the lives of some of them the first 2 nights and then get multiple kills on the next nights. Plus the killing from the neutrals |
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Post by pandamonium on Jul 12, 2019 20:31:08 GMT
How much rng is too much rng?
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Post by pandamonium on Jul 12, 2019 22:34:30 GMT
How good is a reflexive role blocker?
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Post by Benjamin on Jul 12, 2019 23:21:13 GMT
Stronger than unlimited bulletproof as it includes that trait along with others. If trusted could leave mafia with no way around it.
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Post by pandamonium on Jul 12, 2019 23:26:43 GMT
and as a mafia ability?
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Post by Benjamin on Jul 12, 2019 23:29:08 GMT
Fine as a mafia ability imo.
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Post by pandamonium on Jul 13, 2019 12:48:12 GMT
Is a bamboozler bastard?
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Post by Benjamin on Jul 13, 2019 12:50:04 GMT
I'd put it in the same category as bus driver. Fine since the meta we play by makes it predictable.
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