ArnieDelsey
Dreaming God
Dont let my avatar fool you, I'm actually mafia.
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Post by ArnieDelsey on Jul 15, 2018 8:31:44 GMT
Day 1*
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Post by jcraster on Jul 15, 2018 9:58:22 GMT
I'd prefer not lynching AFK day 1 because it doesn't give us as much information, because the accused doesn't defend themselves. We should wait to see if Em716 posts.
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Post by mohneesh on Jul 15, 2018 10:23:50 GMT
I'd prefer not lynching AFK day 1 because it doesn't give us as much information, because the accused doesn't defend themselves. We should wait to see if Em716 posts. Definitely agree with this. Rn we only have one unconfirmed & we know we have Shan Jun & Viktor as subs so I doubt we'll get to a stage where inactives will cause problems. Definitely pro-lynching today, surprised so many others are considering they were anti d-1 eliminate in previous games. Also want to see Aurimas & Taran contribute. As for setup the original was a 16p setup & Ben k/od two town so I don't think it will be 10v3v1, maybe two equally powerful factions or something like that.
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Post by DefinitelyNotMafia on Jul 15, 2018 10:28:41 GMT
I agree. I don't want to fall back on a sub too much, because one may not be available and in case someone else needs to drop out, but as we're just looking at one inactive so far we'd probably be okay. Lynching an inactive (compared to a suspicious/low activity) gives us nothing.
Still waiting on a good quality meme from James.
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Post by Catpain Blackudder on Jul 15, 2018 11:34:27 GMT
I guess I'll Vote:Em716 simply because they're the last person to turn up. As our lecturers keep trying to tell us; attendance is important. Due to fair reasoning from others, I'll say Vote Rescinded then (can I do that? First time trying forum style of this)
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ArnieDelsey
Dreaming God
Dont let my avatar fool you, I'm actually mafia.
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Post by ArnieDelsey on Jul 15, 2018 11:34:42 GMT
Going what I've said earlier, its optimal to go for low activity players. That means I'm way more inclined to go for someone who is activity but is doing little contribution that straight up no activity because of our "super subs". Someone like Sam, jack, taran or aurimas right now. Does anyone know who em718 is?
Will hold my vote on James solely because I liked his prequel meme reply. I don't like how close you're attaching to me dnm though.
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Post by mohneesh on Jul 15, 2018 11:40:00 GMT
let's see if this works Attachments:
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Post by mohneesh on Jul 15, 2018 11:44:22 GMT
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Post by jackoclypse on Jul 15, 2018 11:52:35 GMT
Lynching low activity is a good strategy, mafia who talk a lot are more likely to make mistakes. Only problem being is you end up with threads hundreds of pages long filled with waffle so people skip important details.
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Post by Hectic on Jul 15, 2018 12:00:02 GMT
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Post by Hectic on Jul 15, 2018 12:01:14 GMT
Sub over lynching inactives for sure. Today, we just eliminate the mafiest person based on reads.
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Post by thefakeprophet on Jul 15, 2018 12:19:46 GMT
Going what I've said earlier, its optimal to go for low activity players. That means I'm way more inclined to go for someone who is activity but is doing little contribution that straight up no activity because of our "super subs". Someone like Sam, jack, taran or aurimas right now. Does anyone know who em718 is? Will hold my vote on James solely because I liked his prequel meme reply. I don't like how close you're attaching to me dnm though. What about me? I have actually contributed yet. I'm fairly surprised that we are starting to have some decent activity among people. And judging from the last game I played with you Arnie, you seem a bit more vocal this time round, possibly because all three of Ben, Shan-jun, and Viktor aren't in the game so you're picking up the reigns.
N.B. I've only played 2 games with you. One when you were cop and I was mafia and killed you N1. And the 2nd time was when I was 'scummy' town and you were mafia buddying me up.
With all that said, I agree with the people who are pro-eliminate D1. But moreso with Hectic, jcraster, Mohneesh, and DNC, I think lynching an inactive player D1 is less beneficial. We should be lynching someone we think is the most 'mafia'. We can afford to give a chance to give one or two inactive people a chance to contribute. However if we have too many inactive, we'll have to keep prodding them. Give them a couple of days.
@jack: I disagree, I think we should start lynching people in reverse alphabetical order starting from S.
Contradicting most of what I said, I'd like to hear more from Sam who's not currently active.
Vote: Sam
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Post by thefakeprophet on Jul 15, 2018 12:26:56 GMT
ArnieDelsey: I read two of your post which contradict one another to an extent. In the first post you prefer to eliminate an afker on D2, or fall back to lynching one D1 after interrogating more active members. 'The last three games, afks and low activity played a huge role in disadvantaging town, so definitely think it's optimal to eliminate someone of the sort Day 2 if no leads come up, BUT don't forget Shan Jun is a possible sub, who will be far from quiet XD. Overall, I think it more beneficial to be poking for discussion elsewhere first and then falling on an afker for a eliminate as a safety net.' In this 2nd post, you more inclined to eliminate low activity. 'Going what I've said earlier, its optimal to go for low activity players. That means I'm way more inclined to go for someone who is activity but is doing little contribution that straight up no activity because of our "super subs". Someone like Sam, jack, taran or aurimas right now. Does anyone know who em718 is?' What is your actual stance currently?
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James
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Post by James on Jul 15, 2018 13:11:04 GMT
Personally I'm for lynching an inactive player today unless there are no players that stand out as particularly inactive. This is mainly because I don't believe it's possible to make meaningful reads day 1.
So unless somebody fucks up during D1 and gets bandwagon'd (which I suspect will happen) I'm not in favour of lynching based off 'reads' today.
But there is a lot of time left D1 so I guess we'll see how things develop. Keeping vote on Arnie for now for the meme.
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Post by Hectic on Jul 15, 2018 13:19:18 GMT
Strongly disagree, James. I think you absolutely can form reasonable reads on the first day. People can act very differently as mafia. There's examples of this from past games including the one where Jack acted vastly differently on his second game as mafia, and was scum-read by quite a few on the first day.
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Post by Hectic on Jul 15, 2018 13:31:48 GMT
Additionally, you can look back at day 1 once you've found a mafia, and then look at everyone's interactions with them and who was against or for lynching them...etc.
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James
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Post by James on Jul 15, 2018 13:40:31 GMT
Additionally, you can look back at day 1 once you've found a mafia, and then look at everyone's interactions with them and who was against or for lynching them...etc. That's not a reason for reads being meaningful day 1. Just because you can get information from them later when you have a confirmed mafia doesn't make them useful for lynching day 1.
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Post by DefinitelyNotMafia on Jul 15, 2018 14:07:33 GMT
We really get nothing from lynching an inactive day 1. They aren't more likely to be mafia than anyone else. Town does not currently need the numbers. We either get them subbed, or worst case, mod killed - but then we don't have to worry about it and we get a meaningful eliminate and the reads that come with it. I'd prefer not lynching AFK day 1 because it doesn't give us as much information, because the accused doesn't defend themselves. We should wait to see if Em716 posts. Definitely agree with this. Rn we only have one unconfirmed & we know we have Shan Jun & Viktor as subs so I doubt we'll get to a stage where inactives will cause problems. Definitely pro-lynching today, surprised so many others are considering they were anti d-1 eliminate in previous games. Also want to see Aurimas & Taran contribute. As for setup the original was a 16p setup & Ben k/od two town so I don't think it will be 10v3v1, maybe two equally powerful factions or something like that. Don't necessarily think that means there won't be a singular third party, quite possible that he had a few ideas for third parties in mind dependent on the amount of players. I wouldn't be expecting mafia and another third party "group" but I'm also not really experienced in playing that kind of set up so I won't rule it out. Does anyone know who em718 is? I believe they said they were planning on joining the society next year, so I don't think anyone does.
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ArnieDelsey
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Dont let my avatar fool you, I'm actually mafia.
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Post by ArnieDelsey on Jul 15, 2018 17:36:19 GMT
thefakeprophet I meant Day 1 in the first post. Can't edit so made a separate post for that correction at the top of this page. My stance stands that lynching someone contributing little through low/lazy activity is optimal followed by pure inactives if we really struggle to come to some conclusion. I'm more leaning towards James' mindset concerning Day 1 reads. Two games ago, Jack was super pressured and was mafia but then town let him go and trusted him for too long after a claim. Last game, barry was super pressured and became super scum read (his fault ofc) yet he was town and it shifted the whole sway of day 2 into getting him eventually lynched. Day 2, I think, is where scum reading comes into play. You get some evidence from what people said and how they interacted day 1 based off of a role reveal or two (dependant on night kills or day eliminate). Day 1 is purely all hypothetical possibilities, which can and oftimes does cause witch-hunting narrowmindedness. I saw that moderating last game and felt that in the two games before that, even though I died as town N1 and was mafia that other game. This game I'm gonna try and stay away from letting day 1 influence my judgment too much other than holding onto those thoughts come day 2. I'm more inclined to eliminate the least helpful active player as opposed to looking into other means of scumminess like Barry's persona that happened in game IV or small reads based of "well this is how a mafia could act..." since I think its too hypothetical to push forward on (especially because a misguided attack that results in a town reveal is imo detrimental to how the night phase gets played out. Our most optimal expectation is that mafia or any third parties go full random in terms of what they could do ability-wise, and every piece of info pushes us further away from that. Knowing that I liked to cushion my mafia relations last time by agreeing with everyone I'm wary of anyone who's on my side or is too agreeing. So DNM is on my mini D2 watchlist. Plus I don't trust the rest of you XD
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ArnieDelsey
Dreaming God
Dont let my avatar fool you, I'm actually mafia.
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Post by ArnieDelsey on Jul 15, 2018 17:38:55 GMT
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Post by jackoclypse on Jul 15, 2018 17:51:38 GMT
I can see the argument that on day 1 mafia have the most power due to the least info being available to town.
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sam
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Post by sam on Jul 15, 2018 18:39:18 GMT
My apologies for being inactive, I was away this weekend. Came back a couple of hours ago and have caught up with everything. I am working this summer, so don't expect any responses from me during the daytime of a weekday. I intend to be online and participate a lot in the evenings.
Can I ask that Ben contacts Em, because they may not know about the game thread being put up vs the signup thread - it wasn't announced anywhere where the new thread would be. It's unlikely they're deliberately ghosting us, especially as they don't seem to have played with us before.
RE day 1 lynching, my stance on it is that we probably should do it - I like it as a policy in forum mafia as the reveals on death actually mean that some value is gained from even a bad death. Due to the specifics of my role (mechanic that I've not actually seen before in one of these), I'd like to see what other types of mechanics are in play.
I have thoughts about what other players have said and how that makes me feel about them, but for now it's best I keep that to myself.
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Post by em716 on Jul 15, 2018 19:57:00 GMT
via Imgflip Meme GeneratorSorry! Forgot about the game, hehe. Probably no one will know me irl so let me tell you about myself. My name is Emily and I'm hoping to become a History of Art student at Warwick next year. I found the FB page not long ago and even if I've never played mafia before I wanted to try because it looks fun. So far I don't understand any of the memes but that might change the more I play I don't think we should eliminate anyone today. There's a high risk we kill a good person and not a bad person which is not worth it.
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Post by thefakeprophet on Jul 15, 2018 20:05:45 GMT
sam: Thank you for your participation and explanation. ArnieDelsey: Thank you for your clarification. I realised that I've been reading the term inactivity and low activity synonymously. For that I apologise. @everyone else: Same as Sam, I'll still working full-time over the weekdays and there'll be some weekends that I'll be busy. But like Sam, I'll try to catch up in the evenings but probably be less online than him. As for my reads so far, I have a couple of slight town leans now so far so will continue monitoring them to see if they swing the other or become steady. However no scum reads as of yet.
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Post by jackoclypse on Jul 15, 2018 20:09:45 GMT
My role mentions a serial killer in the game (and the way it's phrased makes me 95% sure it isn't a dupe), having thought for a few days about the implications of telling you lot this I have decided the knowledge would only be beneficial to divulge
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Post by thefakeprophet on Jul 15, 2018 20:27:39 GMT
em716: Welcome to Forum Mafia, hopefully this game will be enjoyable and informative for you. Also Forum Mafia is quite different from Live Mafia which will give you a difference experience to enjoy. And unless you live in London, then I'm probably unlikely to know you I would like to do the maths and explain the logic behind why it's better to eliminate D1 but I won't today.
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Post by thefakeprophet on Jul 15, 2018 20:37:33 GMT
My role mentions a serial killer in the game (and the way it's phrased makes me 95% sure it isn't a dupe), having thought for a few days about the implications of telling you lot this I have decided the knowledge would only be beneficial to divulge That is interesting. Knowing Ben, I wouldn't have expected a Serial Killer in the game, maybe with 15 players but not 14. Considering that I'll have to rebalance the game with a possible Serial Killer in mind.
However considering this is a meme game. I can think of one or two roles that Ben could put it the game to be misleading concerning Serial Killers. Having said that, I won't rule out SK yet.
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Post by DefinitelyNotMafia on Jul 15, 2018 20:39:37 GMT
Welcome em716 ! Enjoy the game. Shan Jun posted this link last game, so it may be a bit of help to you wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=A_Beginner%27s_Guide_to_Being_Awesome_At_MafiaThe general reason people advocate for lynching day one is because town can (collectively) only kill during the day, therefore it's the best chance at getting a mafia. (There's quite possibly a town killing role, but we can't all vote on that and we couldn't rely on it). Even if we eliminate a town, obviously not ideal, we can get information from it. Also there's some maths behind it but maybe thefakeprophet can explain that better lol My role mentions a serial killer in the game (and the way it's phrased makes me 95% sure it isn't a dupe), having thought for a few days about the implications of telling you lot this I have decided the knowledge would only be beneficial to divulge Does your role PM say "You are a serial killer"? Because that would make things a lot simpler But, that certainly.. isn't good. Thank you for sharing, I'm not sure what to do with that information right now. (Also like others, I am working, but generally it shouldn't get in the way of my activity)
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Post by Hectic on Jul 15, 2018 20:42:29 GMT
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Post by DefinitelyNotMafia on Jul 15, 2018 20:43:43 GMT
I'm the danker bus driver
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