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Post by luke on Sept 3, 2023 0:56:54 GMT
Sorry that's meant to say 'towngame' not 'scumgame' š³š³š³ luke no way u slipped that hard so early I was about to respond "I must have slipped on the werewolf c-"and then I just thought about how disappointed my parents would be if they saw this
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Post by Tom on Sept 3, 2023 1:02:48 GMT
Hey luke its your father here just thought I'd check up on your forum games and see your winrate, but this is the most obscene filth I've ever seen. Throbbing werewolf what luke? We're very disapointed and we're cutting you out of your inheritance
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Post by luke on Sept 3, 2023 1:04:01 GMT
Hey luke its your father here just thought I'd check up on your forum games and see your winrate, but this is the most obscene filth I've ever seen. Throbbing werewolf what luke? We're very disapointed and we're cutting you out of your inheritance You'd be disappointed in my winrate too Dad š
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Post by Lucifer on Sept 3, 2023 1:07:47 GMT
"What did I do last game that people liked? Oh yeah, I did a fake scum slip. That worked pretty well."
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Post by luke on Sept 3, 2023 1:10:37 GMT
"What did I do last game that people liked? Oh yeah, I did a fake scum slip. That worked pretty well." š¤«
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Post by Lucifer on Sept 3, 2023 1:27:14 GMT
To be fair, whether good or evil, I suspect that what Luke wrote was genuinely good advice, it just didn't have the same kinda comfortable vibe as Luke's posting last game.
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Post by luke on Sept 3, 2023 1:30:44 GMT
To be fair, whether good or evil, I suspect that what Luke wrote was genuinely good advice, it just didn't have the same kinda comfortable vibe as Luke's posting last game. Yeah you said this already. I know posts like that can be a little awkward but who cares. I was gonna link some of my games in this setup but figured no one would read them. Do you want to talk about the reads I made?
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Post by Lucifer on Sept 3, 2023 2:14:17 GMT
Sure I've given the game a quick once-over and I've got Leo as my biggest townread so far. Also leaning town on Ashe, and Daisy. Lily seems a little more relaxed than last game which is probably +town Lucy's initially a little suspect but will hopefully display her alignment as the game progresses Tom's opening posts were way less serious than in Greater Idea so it's concerning me a bit Archie's talk about not screwing up does seem a little bit like a scum mindset, but maybe he's just super traumatised from last game. Personally I haven't seen anything on Ashe or Leo that I can read alignment into, and it feels a little weird that Leo stands out to you. Conversely, Daisy actually pings me as a bit sussy.
I agree with your point about Lily, although she very much started last game with a target on her back due to the discards.
Is it worthwhile for me to comment on your sus of me? I'll leave that to others.
Tom was a joky little jokester in the last game too, it's just there was no random voting stage last time so he was straight into jokes with scumhunting content. Tho maybe I felt that more than other players cuz he was dming me after he died. I think Tom and Archie were both somewhat scarred by greater idea. I'd need more from Archie to get a solid vibe either way.
I'm gonna head to bed now, maybe I'll be awake in the morning but most likely see ya this afternoon.
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Post by archie on Sept 3, 2023 9:08:32 GMT
I agree that Luke seemed stiffer than normal, and it's the closest to a welcome post which according to someone (Nick?) is 30% more scum indicative or something. I'm not voting on it, because so many so early on so little feels dumb - and could I think allow mafia to jump on a wagon.
The people who've been accused but haven't defended themselves at all - Tom, Lily, etc seem to be slightly townie, because in my experience your instinct is to over-defend yourself as mafia. (This is another point against Luke, but see above as to why I'm not voting.) However, with the self-control and whatnot forums afford, this is a very weak read so far.
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Post by Elements on Sept 3, 2023 9:51:42 GMT
Votecount 1.1Current votes:
Luke - Lucifer, Tom, Daisy (e-2) Tom - solily (e-4) solily - Ashera (e-4)
Not voting: mkkrabby, archie, Nick G, Luke
With 9 alive it takes 5 to exile someone.
Link to the previous votecount Link to next votecount
Day 1 will end either when a player reaches a majority or votes or at whatever time I get back from work on the 9th!
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Post by luke on Sept 3, 2023 10:36:39 GMT
I agree that Luke seemed stiffer than normal, and it's the closest to a welcome post which according to someone (Nick?) is 30% more scum indicative or something. I'm not voting on it, because so many so early on so little feels dumb - and could I think allow mafia to jump on a wagon. The people who've been accused but haven't defended themselves at all - Tom, Lily, etc seem to be slightly townie, because in my experience your instinct is to over-defend yourself as mafia. (This is another point against Luke, but see above as to why I'm not voting.) However, with the self-control and whatnot forums afford, this is a very weak read so far. The "greeting the game" tell has been widely mythbusted and is as to mafia what horoscopes are to science (or something). As for your point about Tom and Lily - Ashera's vote on Lily was quite clearly a joke, so it's not something either town!Lily or scum!Lily needs to respond to/defend against. And Tom continuing to joke around after I mentioned is sort of to be expected as well, although if anything I think it's more scum than town, just because it's easy to do as scum, and town!Tom might be more interested in getting the game out of RVS early (see Treestump Express and GI for some very early reads from Tom). I also find issue with your notion as a general rule of mafia (and general rules in mafia as a notion) that town ignore and scum defend. I don't know where you got this from, but it's pretty obviously wrong. Town can do either, scum can do either.
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Post by luke on Sept 3, 2023 10:58:40 GMT
On reflection I'll rescind my townleans on Daisy and Lily, leaving my reads about here:
Leo, Ashe Everyone else
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Post by Daisy on Sept 3, 2023 11:07:27 GMT
I agree that Luke seemed stiffer than normal, and it's the closest to a welcome post which according to someone (Nick?) is 30% more scum indicative or something. I'm not voting on it, because so many so early on so little feels dumb - and could I think allow mafia to jump on a wagon. What's wrong with putting Luke at E-1? If someone hammers, that person is almost definitely scum and we get them out the next day.
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Post by Daisy on Sept 3, 2023 11:11:26 GMT
Well, unless Luke flips scum, then that's just the wildest town move in the world.
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Post by luke on Sept 3, 2023 11:24:03 GMT
What's wrong with E-1? š¤
You seem a bit bloodthirsty.
E-1 means a claim. It shouldn't happen until later in the day, when people's votes are actually based on something.
RVS wagons do not hit scum.
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Post by Daisy on Sept 3, 2023 11:27:43 GMT
What's wrong with E-1? š¤ You seem a bit bloodthirsty. E-1 means a claim. It shouldn't happen until later in the day, when people's votes are actually based on something. RVS wagons do not hit scum. E-1 doesn't mean a claim when it's this early into Day 1 lol, it's just a statement of intent/extra pressure on you.
And yea I'm a bloodthirsty Day 1 player lmao, is this news?
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Post by Daisy on Sept 3, 2023 11:28:24 GMT
RVS wagons do not hit scum. Veryyy convenient mantra for someone who's the only RVS wagon š§
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Post by Daisy on Sept 3, 2023 11:48:23 GMT
I agree that Luke seemed stiffer than normal, and it's the closest to a welcome post which according to someone (Nick?) is 30% more scum indicative or something. I'm not voting on it, because so many so early on so little feels dumb - and could I think allow mafia to jump on a wagon. The people who've been accused but haven't defended themselves at all - Tom, Lily, etc seem to be slightly townie, because in my experience your instinct is to over-defend yourself as mafia. (This is another point against Luke, but see above as to why I'm not voting.) However, with the self-control and whatnot forums afford, this is a very weak read so far. The "greeting the game" tell has been widely mythbusted and is as to mafia what horoscopes are to science (or something). As for your point about Tom and Lily - Ashera's vote on Lily was quite clearly a joke, so it's not something either town!Lily or scum!Lily needs to respond to/defend against. And Tom continuing to joke around after I mentioned is sort of to be expected as well, although if anything I think it's more scum than town, just because it's easy to do as scum, and town!Tom might be more interested in getting the game out of RVS early (see Treestump Express and GI for some very early reads from Tom). I also find issue with your notion as a general rule of mafia (and general rules in mafia as a notion) that town ignore and scum defend. I don't know where you got this from, but it's pretty obviously wrong. Town can do either, scum can do either. Will say I do like this post in the sense that I think it's pretty logically sound and I agree with a lot of the points, but scum!Luke is very capable of posts like these so I'm not sure it changes my read at all.
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Post by Tom on Sept 3, 2023 11:48:41 GMT
Lily and Leo are vibing for sure
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Post by solily on Sept 3, 2023 12:23:23 GMT
Luke how annoyed would you be if i put my vote on you
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Post by luke on Sept 3, 2023 12:38:30 GMT
Luke how annoyed would you be if i put my vote on you Very, although I'm aware that might incentivise you. Listen, I have no problem being today's elimination eventually, as long as 5 other players actually believed I was scum at the end of a productive day in which everyone has made enough content to be read on, and people were willing to deadsheep me. Speedrunning the day might well seem funny, but it only benefits scum. Also, it appeals to this ridiculous mindset that everything in mafia is completely random and no one could ever possibly divine another player's alignment based on what they post on a forum because there's 'no info' and we might as well not even try. If you think that, why even sign up? Go play Clocktower, or do a sudoku.
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Post by luke on Sept 3, 2023 12:39:13 GMT
RVS wagons do not hit scum. Veryyy convenient mantra for someone who's the only RVS wagon š§ It's just common sense really
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Post by luke on Sept 3, 2023 12:42:58 GMT
The "greeting the game" tell has been widely mythbusted and is as to mafia what horoscopes are to science (or something). As for your point about Tom and Lily - Ashera's vote on Lily was quite clearly a joke, so it's not something either town!Lily or scum!Lily needs to respond to/defend against. And Tom continuing to joke around after I mentioned is sort of to be expected as well, although if anything I think it's more scum than town, just because it's easy to do as scum, and town!Tom might be more interested in getting the game out of RVS early (see Treestump Express and GI for some very early reads from Tom). I also find issue with your notion as a general rule of mafia (and general rules in mafia as a notion) that town ignore and scum defend. I don't know where you got this from, but it's pretty obviously wrong. Town can do either, scum can do either. Will say I do like this post in the sense that I think it's pretty logically sound and I agree with a lot of the points, but scum!Luke is very capable of posts like these so I'm not sure it changes my read at all. What isn't scum!Luke capable of? š Seriously though, do you think there's anything I could post that would take me out of scumrange? To my point of view, it looks like you're saying "I would TR this but it's Luke, so could be scum" which should lead to an aggregate judgement of "meh" but instead you're voting me and encouraging people to E-1.
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Post by Nick G on Sept 3, 2023 12:45:32 GMT
Oh, the pointing again. Theyāre screwdrivers! What are you going to do? Assemble a cabinet at them?Who is [redacted]? The moderator said at the start that they are part of the Mafia, so we really ought to be exiling them, whoever they are! On a more serious note: - I typically try to read based on logic and hard information, but weāve not really got any at this point, and likely wonāt get any before the nightphase. (If there are Masons, Iām assuming they wonāt claim today unless theyāre about to get voted.)
- luke makes a good point about only having 2 miseliminations. Unfortunately, unlike being in that position in the mid game, we donāt have any information to work with right now. (Especially as early game votes are typically meaningless.)
- archie, that reference to a Mafiascum theory in the last game was over accusations of āflailingā (in that game, I was accused of floundering). The stats apparently indicate that evil players are slightly more likely to āflailā than Town players, but that accusing another player of flailing is actually more likely to be scum-indicative than flailing yourself.
- Daisy, regardless of your thirst for blood, it isnāt a good idea right now. If we have a quick hammer today, we might identify an evil player (but could easily just be a bloodthirsty Town or a good player who lost track of the votes). Weād be sacrificing a probable Town player today and a good chunk of possible discussion from this dayphase, at the possibility of exiling a scum player today. (Which could be wrong and, if rushed into, would lose us the game.)
I was going to ask whether this game involved majority/hammer voting rather than just end-of-day plurality, but Elementsā vote count has answered that.
For their attempt to push Luke partially based on fake evidence they claimed I presented (and because I want to join in the voting fun)ā¦
Vote: Archie
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Post by Nick G on Sept 3, 2023 12:55:58 GMT
I canāt trust myself to fully read Luke (given I was actually genuinely slightly concerned last game that they could be Cult, even if I did need them exiled regardless), but I do not want to see them exiled this early (or anyone else, for that matter).
While I donāt think itās easy to get much information out of day 1 discussion & votes, at least until weāre in day 2-3 and have information to give context to those votes/discussions, I agree that this stage isnāt entirely random. Everyone may have an agenda, e.g. trying to put players under pressure for tells, Mafia trying to out power roles, etc., so a ārandomā wagon could be motivated for good, evil or both. The dayphase is the phase Town have power over (excepting power roles), so I donāt want that cut short for the sake of it as that gives us less information & discussion to work with, and Mafia potentially greater power over the game.
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Post by Tom on Sept 3, 2023 13:10:30 GMT
On reflection I'll rescind my townleans on Daisy and Lily, leaving my reads about here: Leo, Ashe Everyone else Are you masons with ashe
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Post by Daisy on Sept 3, 2023 13:15:20 GMT
Will say I do like this post in the sense that I think it's pretty logically sound and I agree with a lot of the points, but scum!Luke is very capable of posts like these so I'm not sure it changes my read at all. What isn't scum!Luke capable of? š Seriously though, do you think there's anything I could post that would take me out of scumrange? To my point of view, it looks like you're saying "I would TR this but it's Luke, so could be scum" which should lead to an aggregate judgement of "meh" but instead you're voting me and encouraging people to E-1. Initially my read on has been based on a rigidity that Lucifer pointed out and I agreed with. Since then I've not seen the town!you come out. That specific post I talked about in the quote does come down to a meh, not anything more scum-indicative.
I do think there's a lot you could post that would take you out of your scumrange. My meta read on how you play isn't exactly a secret to anyone. But I don't feel the need to list exactly what I want to see because you then get the opportunity to perform up to that, whereas I'd rather see your natural responses to the pressure on your slot (which right now aren't pinging town!Luke).
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Post by Daisy on Sept 3, 2023 13:17:19 GMT
I'd like everyone to know I'm not campaigning for a hammer, I'm just happy to see players get to E-1. Two very different things. I don't want an early end to the day and I think most players agree with me on that, so it would be very surprising to me to see an E-1 wagon get hammered at this point in the game.
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Post by Tom on Sept 3, 2023 13:20:23 GMT
daisy respond to my message in mason chat
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Post by Daisy on Sept 3, 2023 13:23:59 GMT
daisy respond to my message in mason chat no tom i do not want to "hotbox h0.60" with you sorry
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