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Post by Elements on Aug 9, 2023 17:54:27 GMT
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Post by Tom on Aug 9, 2023 17:54:52 GMT
I mean actually brolly I read a mafiascum game where you got voted out day 1 as mafia and it was pretty much like this but my frame of reference is not good
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Post by ashera on Aug 9, 2023 17:55:18 GMT
Ashe is clearly scum. Trying to invite discord into the game for so reason. vote: Ashe Elements is clearly scum, they keep copying people’s votes to try and get the wagon off themselves.
Unvote: Nick G Vote: Elements
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Post by Tom on Aug 9, 2023 17:56:07 GMT
Ashe is clearly scum. Trying to invite discord into the game for so reason. vote: Ashe Elements is clearly scum, they keep copying people’s votes to try and get the wagon off themselves.
Unvote: Nick G Vote: Elements
(Damn, all this formatting is harder on mobile)Facts, I'm gonna get carpel tunnel trying to vote people
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Post by Elements on Aug 9, 2023 17:56:49 GMT
I mean actually brolly I read a mafiascum game where you got voted out day 1 as mafia and it was pretty much like this but my frame of reference is not good If anyone wants my mafiascum games, they're all here wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Elements
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Post by Elements on Aug 9, 2023 17:57:08 GMT
I mean actually brolly I read a mafiascum game where you got voted out day 1 as mafia and it was pretty much like this but my frame of reference is not good I generally think I'm more talkative day 1 as town
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Post by Daisy on Aug 9, 2023 18:14:18 GMT
I mean actually brolly I read a mafiascum game where you got voted out day 1 as mafia and it was pretty much like this but my frame of reference is not good If anyone wants my mafiascum games, they're all here wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Elementsyou guys should all read mini normal 2302 that was a great game
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Post by Lucifer on Aug 9, 2023 18:21:26 GMT
Hello! Okay–ooh. New teeth. That’s weird. So, where was I? Oh, that’s right. Forum Mafia!I can see there’s been a considerable amount of activity already! Alas, I’ll have to wait until tomorrow analyse the discards and early interactions, but I am keeping an eye on events. (I saw that vote, Elements!) I would like to request a few moderator clarifications, Lucifer . (Apologies if I’ve missed the answers already.) - Were Aliens, Replicants or both factions included in the role randomisation? (It’s typically one or the other, but the setup does allow for both.)
- What are the rules on self-voting? (You did announce that it was banned mid-way through the last Greater Idea game that you ran.)
- Are targeted players informed of roleblocking, redirection and/or successful Doctor protections?
- Do anti-Town factions have access to daytalk?
- Aliens are in, Replicants are not
- I'll allow self voting
- If you are roleblocked, you will be informed you were roleblocked. No to the other two.
- Anti-Town factions can only use their private chats at night, with the exception of the Cult who would not have a private chat at all
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Post by Elements on Aug 9, 2023 18:21:50 GMT
A Post by Post Analysis of Why Ashera is ScumMorning gamer's it's me, Ashera. If anyone is struggling to read this purple text, please let me know
Anyway, both day vigs were discarded? And the wildcard? Boo, what am I meant to bluff now? But seriously, Aleks I hope you have a really good role or I'll be very disappointed. Lot of evil discards this game, if there is a werewolf faction, they must be bummed that they could have had me, Tom and J as buddies. Into posts are often good to look at. Ashe here has fallen for one of the best early game scum tells. The greeting post. Scum are about 30% more likely (for all you stats fans out there) to start a game with a greeting based post. There is an entrie mafiascum thread about this I annoyingly can't find. There's also the case of "oo look, I'm not a werewolf" when it's entierly likely Ashe rolled 2 werewolf rolls. Anyway, who's actually read the full role list, who's going in knowing fuck all? I have no clue what half the aliens do. What's a replicant? (don't tell me, I'll look it up when it becomes relevant) Again, here is more "I'm not an alien" "I'm not a replicant" waffle designed to make us think Ashe is town Charlie discarded a vig as well? What da hell
Vote: Charlie Random vote. Not much to say here I feel like Lily is really into the probability game right now. As a stats student, I stare But does it put Lily on scum or town side? hmm hmm... But on a similar note, I'm seeing Archie as town. This isn't like, a hard town read, just a soft one, maybe with some crunchy bits I wish Elements had discarded anything other than VT, but I'm willing to give them a town lean.
(btw do you prefer being referred to as Elements here?) A few fence sitting reads, easing to manover from in either direction. Very non-commital, a sign of a player feeling out the town and how they can push their adgenda. Hey good timing, see previous post. I will need to reread what's happened so far to get more opinions, and hear from people who haven't spoken yet. (I believe that makes three votes on Charlie right now? I'll take mine off if anyone else puts one on)
(I am also requesting people with the cat to change to a distinct pfp)
(also I don't want to figure out how to quote multiple posts at once, thanks for letting me know) Very happy to remove their vote on e-3. potentially distancing a partner? but not wanting to fully bus day 1? Asking to change pfps? Don't want to confuse your scum buddies with someone you want to lim huh? (I believe that makes three votes on Charlie right now? I'll take mine off if anyone else puts one on) I type something and it's redundant by the time I hit post. Sigh I'm enjoying this lively discussion, I think Despite my annoyance, Aleks is the sort of person who'd discard wildcard. So I don't wanna vote him just on that. But I do feel like shaking things up
Unvote: Charlie Vote: Luke
What's up with you buddy?
Imediatly going back on their first post of the game visa vis Aleks discarding wildcard. Also dropping the vote on Charlie (I said it was distancing didn't i?) Though trying to numbers a game has merit, I just don't love it - prefer reads. But like, D1, Hour... 3? Oh totally. But eh, the last forum games I didn't really engage until later on cause I thought it was all arbitrary... I'm trying to lean into the hyperanalysis this game
While I'm here, hmm Madz and Lily are now town lean. Daisy, Tom and Luke are in the NULL ZONE. J... still null, but less scum than the three just listed.more reads! these will hopefully be telling down the line. Already coming up with reasons their play is different from when they haven't rolled groupscum in the past. having said that, the reads are still mostly middling are fence sitty. I don't think there's anything up with me. If you do, it's up to you to diagnose it. Any reads?I aM InteRACtinG wIth tHe GAme Which one of the following is most accurate?: A) When asked who you suspected the most, you didn't suspect anyone as it was so early in the game, but gave my name as an unserious joke. B) When asked who you suspected the most, you suspected me the most due to my unserious joke post. C) When asked who you suspected the most, you suspected me because you default to suspecting me whenever I am in a game. Why is this the thing that pushes Luke into town lean? It's so aggressive in a town Luke way Hmm, that's a lot of people I'm town leaning rn (for the record I also town lean Ashe). I reckon there's a lot of town in this town.
Unvote: Luke Vote: Nick G
Even Ashe admits this is a baseless read in the post they give it. Notice how they called Luke "buddy" earlier? no u I haven't had any thoughts in a while, who wants to start a 1v1? As I said before, just looking to the indite chaos Ashe is clearly scum. Trying to invite discord into the game for so reason. vote: Ashe Elements is clearly scum, they keep copying people’s votes to try and get the wagon off themselves.
Unvote: Nick G Vote: Elements
(Damn, all this formatting is harder on mobile)another 180 on a reads just showing how they are all just made up for show and convinience also voting me, the only confirmable town role in the game Conclusion:We have a werewolf faction. It includes: Ashe, Luke, Charlie maybe more, but I hope not
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Post by Elements on Aug 9, 2023 18:23:02 GMT
you guys should all read mini normal 2302 that was a great game No, no it was not
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Post by Charlie on Aug 9, 2023 18:35:02 GMT
Super late first post, wooooo
Yes, I discarded town one-shot vig, I had a more fun role that I chose. Yes that's the same logic that I used yesterday, but there are seriously other roles, including town roles, that I would choose over one-shot vig. Yeah, murder is fun and all, but I gotta dock points for it being one-shot. If people don't believe me, I can give a small sample of town roles that I would pick over what I discarded, though I'm not gonna give a full list since I don't wanna give scum a full overview of how good a kill I may or may not be.
Anyway, just wanted to get that out of the way cos I know people are gonna hound me for that. Onto my thoughts on discards:
First of all, the sheer number of scum discards makes me believe there were a fair few people who got two scum roles, I'd like to wait to form more reads on them since it'll be difficult to determine who would've received two scum roles. Of the people who discarded scum roles, the ones I could most believe to pick town over scum are probably Madz, Archie, and J, assuming they received a town and a scum role, which would make me slightly more inclined to trust them.
I feel like Daisy would pick lover, it just feels like something she'd do, but I also feel like she's probably prioritising utility, so it's a fair discard from that perspective.
Elements of all people discarding vanilla town is like the most unreadable thing ever, and this makes me sad.
I need info on how Nick typically plays. Would condemner be a strange discard for him? I'd like to hear people's thought on that.
Aleks discarding wildcard is interesting, must've quite liked his role. I'd narrow down what roles I'd think that'd be, but that feels like too much effort right now.
I can honestly see Lily avoiding one-shot day vig, it doesn't seem like it'd be a role she'd be into. IIRC, slayer isn't a character she likes to play as much in BOTC, so it checks out in my eyes
I'mma throw out a vote, since that seems to be the thing to do in forum mafia. I don't feel too strongly, but I think my best choice goes here for now.
Vote: Ashera
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Post by madz on Aug 9, 2023 18:41:37 GMT
I changed my pfp! Yay!
I do think we might have a big werewolf faction. Idk why, just a lingering feeling of "people think being a werewolf is edgy". (/nsrs) Don't think I can read J yet, Luke and Tom feel fine, and Daisy's memes make me hope she's town because I want more of em' lol.
Might have more 'reads' later, this is all I can think about rn.
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Post by Tom on Aug 9, 2023 18:51:20 GMT
I need info on how Nick typically plays. Would condemner be a strange discard for him? I'd like to hear people's thought on that. I predict Nick is someone who would not like to play as condemner and would take anything over it.
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Post by luke on Aug 9, 2023 18:54:25 GMT
I don't want to quote it but Elements, is your latest thing serious?
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Post by Tom on Aug 9, 2023 18:55:29 GMT
A Post by Post Analysis of Why Ashera is Scum a post by post analysis of why elements is scum: this post
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Post by luke on Aug 9, 2023 18:56:04 GMT
I need info on how Nick typically plays. Would condemner be a strange discard for him? I'd like to hear people's thought on that. I predict Nick is someone who would not like to play as condemner and would take anything over it. Nick chose a town role last time over a scum one. If dealt 2 scum, I could see him choosing Condemner potentially.
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Post by ashera on Aug 9, 2023 19:01:58 GMT
A Post by Post Analysis of Why Ashera is Scum a post by post analysis of why elements is scum: this post
oi oi im doing the Elements is scum post
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Post by alljokesaside on Aug 9, 2023 19:06:52 GMT
Number stinky, I think I'll Unvote: Madz, and Vote: Nick G
Though trying to numbers a game has merit, I just don't love it - prefer reads. But like, D1, Hour... 3?
Anyway, time to de-weed
How much forum mafia have you played? Played a forum game before. But I've played Mafia once(1ce) before!!
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Post by Elements on Aug 9, 2023 19:07:06 GMT
I don't want to quote it but Elements, is your latest thing serious? I'll let you figure out out
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Post by solily on Aug 9, 2023 19:10:42 GMT
I changed my pfp! Yay! I do think we might have a big werewolf faction. Idk why, just a lingering feeling of "people think being a werewolf is edgy". (/nsrs) Don't think I can read J yet, Luke and Tom feel fine, and Daisy's memes make me hope she's town because I want more of em' lol. Might have more 'reads' later, this is all I can think about rn. i like the snake
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Post by madz on Aug 9, 2023 19:55:59 GMT
I changed my pfp! Yay! I do think we might have a big werewolf faction. Idk why, just a lingering feeling of "people think being a werewolf is edgy". (/nsrs) Don't think I can read J yet, Luke and Tom feel fine, and Daisy's memes make me hope she's town because I want more of em' lol. Might have more 'reads' later, this is all I can think about rn. i like the snake Thank you :DD
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Post by ashera on Aug 9, 2023 21:10:19 GMT
An Analysis of why Elements is scum Not quite post by post because we don't have the time.1-shot day vig discarded Lily? I thought better of you Past the mod announcements, the first four messages were all made by Elements. They were short observations that could have easily been a single post, but by quadruple posting, Elements takes early control of the game, we'll come back to this point later.Vote: ElementsI miss vote tags Self vote, that's NAI (Non-alignment-indicative) for Elements. Tom and Luke can be town Luke moreso than Tom An early pocket, along with some wishy washy "Luke > Tom" claimThen for why have neither of you voted yet? vote: nick A random vote. Not much to say here. Instantly dropping the vote on Nick (distancing themselves perhaps?)Ashe and Archie have opening posts that are the town side of null I read a thread about how when scum are trying to make a point, they'll say it in a verbose way to make it sound like they're saying something smart that town should listen to. I can't find the thread now, but I often see Elements make this play as scum.
Vibes is how I play forum mafia. There's the possibility for any number of {Town, Mafia, Werewolves, Aliens, Replicants, Cult, SK, other 3rd party} There might be only werewolves, there might be only SKs. We will not know until we vote them out. Our best way of guaging how many factions there are is from the number of night kills. Brolly specifically brings up the potential of werewolves and serial killers in play, as if drawing our attention away from the other evil teams. Other than that, this is a NAI but helpful way to explain Greater Idea to a newbie. to vote someone you write [b.]vote:name[/b.] except without the . in the brakets (you can also unvote in the same way) as for who to and when to, your votes are fully moveable with no restrictions so you can do whatever you want to with them. I tend to throw mine about all the time, every which way. Most peopple use them to show who they're scum reading the most or to put pressure on slots to reacion test or to get them to try and show that they're town a bit like "I'm leaving my vote on you until you show me someone better to put it on". the only time to really be careful about who you're voting is when wagons get to like e-2/e-1 (2 votes from elimination/1 vote from eliminaiton) as you don't want to accidentally hammer someone and end the day prematurely {or maybe you do, who am I to say}. the other time to be careful (though to that applicable to this game) is in final 3/5 when if you vote wrongly the scum team can jump on the vote and win the game. This is a bit of an odd setup as a first forum game. Hope that in some way helps Also NAI and helpful. However this is leading into a greater problem...Elements explained voting perfectly well in the previous message I shared, but they still feel the need to post a link to mafiascum, as if to say "look at me, I'm a forum expert, look at the fancy terms I know". As I mentioned earlier, this is a way to get newbie town members to follow the words of the experienced player, cause they must know what they're doing. As some people have noticed, Elements is making an effort to Bloop at the top of each page, sometimes sending many messages in a row to do so. This has a two-fold purpose. First, if they are at the top of the page, us other players will be seeing them constantly, so will have them in our minds. At the same time, "Bloop" is such a cute, harmless phrase, that whenever we look over it, we associate the harmlessness with Brolly. The second purpose, Brolly makes big claims when not much has been said. They could then say "there's already been 6 pages of discussion, there's tons to analyse", knowing that a significant chunk of that has been filler messages they themselves sent. Maddy, do you like playing scum? A very normal question, not at all leading. If none of the rest of you say anything I am just going to ramble on at myself Only proving my point about the message spam. Tom, Lily, Luke Come vote Maddy with me Vote:Madz[/v] Scum are more likely to make random wagons, as it directly benefits them. Targeting Tom, Lily and Luke in particular is an odd choice, I suspect Brolly chose people who are not their teammates to avoid association. If I'm your biggest scumread, why are you more inclined to vote Maddy? you're not my biggest scum read wanna vote maddy? Once again, wagoning.charlie isn't currently active Maddy is Elements is trying to get the vote off of Charlie, perhaps trying to protect a scum partner.
Nah Also, stop drowning the thread! come have a chat with me then and vote charlie vote:charlie This is where Brolly starts copying my votes. After trying to get Daisy away from Charlie, this one feels like "oh no we're totally not on the same team, look I voted for him" I aM InteRACtinG wIth tHe GAme
vote:solilywe can go here Elements jumps away from Charlie very quickly, under the guise of "random voting" And now Luke is targeted. I've voted. Strongest townread so far is Tom. Don't like that. I do think Tom is probably town, but why is he your strongest townread? Up to this point, Elements hasn't given reasons for their reads, yet demands reasons from other people. Back to copying my votes, as if trying to pocket me. I haven't had any thoughts in a while, who wants to start a 1v1? Ashe is clearly scum. Trying to invite discord into the game for so reason. vote: Ashe Putting this here to keep a log of who Elements has voted for. Hey look how many forum games I've played. This shows I know what I'm talking about. I generally think I'm more talkative day 1 as town A player I deeply respect once told me something along the lines of "if you know your meta as town, you can replicate it when you're evil, so claiming something is your 'town meta' is NAI". Wonder who that was...
(It was Brolly. That's the joke) A Post by Post Analysis of Why Ashera is Scum I'm not quoting this entire thing could you fucking imagine. I don't want to quote it but Elements, is your latest thing serious? I'll let you figure out out This statement is very wishy washy, and means Elements doesn't have to be accountable for what they say. If I die and I'm scum, they use this as proof that they're so good at finding scum. If I die and I'm town, they can say it's just a joke.
This is meant to be about Elements, but there's one other post I wanna share.
Super late first post, woooooI'mma throw out a vote, since that seems to be the thing to do in forum mafia. I don't feel too strongly, but I think my best choice goes here for now. Vote: Ashera Charlie gets here late, decides to throw out a 'random vote', and it just happens to align with the vote of the person that was trying to get him unvoted earlier.
In conclusion: Brolly is mafia and so is Charlie, and also probably one of the players that hasn't spoken yet.
Honest conclusion: If you've actually read through both mine and Element's post, congratulations. You may also notice that we use a lot of the same talking points against each other. This goes to show that a lot of my behaviour that Elements calls sus, is behaviour they are also taking part in. What's the conclusion here? I could say Elements is claiming scum, because as scum they know what is suspicious behaviour... but that feels disingenuous. The conclusion I'm taking from this. If you are looking through someone's posts determined to find evidence of their guilt, you will probably find a lot of things that can back up the conclusion you're going for. And nothing will sway you from the conclusion you're already determined to reach. You must be sick of hearing this by now but this is literally the plot of Umineko.
Is this post a serious accusation? No. Elements may read that statement and say "oh look, Ashera is being wishy washy again, that's scum". And if that's the conclusion they're determined to reach, I don't know what I can say to convince them otherwise.
Conclusion conclusion: Brolly and I are in a 1v1, but we both think Charlie's evil so we should vote him instead.
Unvote: Elements Vote: Charlie
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Post by Tom on Aug 9, 2023 21:24:12 GMT
you guys aren't masons I won't believe it
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Post by Elements on Aug 9, 2023 21:27:54 GMT
Pretty convincing case on Charlie you got there Vote: Charlie
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Post by mkkrabby on Aug 9, 2023 21:32:50 GMT
I wasnt expecting to come back after work to 6 pages of stuff
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Post by Elements on Aug 9, 2023 21:33:01 GMT
you guys aren't masons I won't believe it but I've already crumbed it!
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Post by Elements on Aug 9, 2023 21:33:16 GMT
I wasnt expecting to come back after work to 6 pages of stuff You're welcome <3
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Post by mkkrabby on Aug 9, 2023 21:38:33 GMT
I got rid of Mason because I was like I bet there wont actually be another Mason if i pick it it would be useless
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Post by Tom on Aug 9, 2023 21:43:39 GMT
I got rid of Mason because I was like I bet there wont actually be another Mason if i pick it it would be useless that makes a lot of sense
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Post by Daisy on Aug 9, 2023 21:49:25 GMT
I got rid of Mason because I was like I bet there wont actually be another Mason if i pick it it would be useless Imagine if there's a poor mason out there right now all lonely because of this
I'm sending them hugs if they exist
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