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Post by Milktoffee on Aug 24, 2020 11:13:53 GMT
So you are tracker? And you got an incorrect reading on Aurimas that night?
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Post by elunedj on Aug 24, 2020 11:16:38 GMT
So milktoffee, I challenge you to explain: last night you visited distributive, the night before that you visited Joel and were jailed, the night before that you visited friend, but supposedly you're busdrive-d with friend and friend wasn't effected by bus drive and visited you so that check doesn't work either.. all the suspicion is on yous :)
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Post by elunedj on Aug 24, 2020 11:18:31 GMT
So you are tracker? And you got an incorrect reading on Aurimas that night? No I lied, as I said I'm neutral. I tracked you to Joel. Who'd you try to kill on the no death night?
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Post by Milktoffee on Aug 24, 2020 11:26:00 GMT
Last night I swapped distributive and you thinking that you may have been the scum after the incorrect claim - the fact that distributive died meant that you are clear (or neutral). I did not visit Joel the night before, so you were bamboozled or similar, and I visited Friend because I busdrove us. I already went through this when I claimed my role - it is not a strong bus driver role.
Wait, if you claim to have visited me the night before last, why did you claim to have seen Aurimas kill Joel?
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Post by Milktoffee on Aug 24, 2020 11:29:43 GMT
Ah. I see. Neutral kingmaker. Whom at the moment is going to king scum.
I have not killed anyone throughout the game (other than taking part in the firing of people) but Friend likely tried to kill whomever was jailed by Distributive at the time.
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Post by elunedj on Aug 24, 2020 11:31:01 GMT
Last night I swapped distributive and you thinking that you may have been the scum after the incorrect claim - the fact that distributive died meant that you are clear (or neutral). I did not visit Joel the night before, so you were bamboozled or similar, and I visited Friend because I busdrove us. I already went through this when I claimed my role - it is not a strong bus driver role. Wait, if you claim to have visited me the night before last, why did you claim to have seen Aurimas kill Joel? Because I'm neutral and needed town to misfire. Me seeing you visit friend is not possible if you were bus driven, as then I would have been tracking friend visit themself which isn't what happened as you got the letter. soooo..
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Post by elunedj on Aug 24, 2020 11:33:57 GMT
vote: milktoffee I really hope I'm right because, Aurimas was awesome, figuring pretty much everything out as town but not being listened to and deserves town win, also the guilt of throwing the towniest person under the bus to meet my win condition can hopefully be resolved by this.. :/ feels bad being bad
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Post by Milktoffee on Aug 24, 2020 11:36:05 GMT
It seems I was mislead into what my role serves to do. What Bailey said it would do when I asked for clarification isn’t what ended up happening then.
I know that loyal receptionist swaps deaths. I thought it weakly swapped players so that they can properly interact with each other. Turns out I may be mistaken.
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Post by Milktoffee on Aug 24, 2020 11:37:30 GMT
Vote: Friend.
So are you an executioner then? And giving the win to scum after saying you want to do it for Aurimas is in poor taste.
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Post by friend on Aug 24, 2020 15:27:09 GMT
Huh, Milktoffee is voting me and Elunedj could've hammered. While, Elunedj is voting Milktoffee, and I can hammer. What a fantastic final day lol
Thanks for being honourable, Elunedj. I'd really have an option here, Milktoffee, even in the small world you're scum, because if I don't hammer you this instant and even talk about suspecting Elunedj, she can just hammer me since you've already voted me. So:
VOTE: Milktoffee
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Post by friend on Aug 24, 2020 15:29:16 GMT
*I didn't really have an option here, Milktoffee, even in the small world you're town
Don't know how I messed the wording up so badly.
You have been avenged, Aurimas! Sorry for firing you and all.
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Post by bingo on Aug 24, 2020 16:23:03 GMT
And with that Milktoffee was fired, she'd fought hard against the faucets of oppression in the company, fighting for real change by any means necessary but alas to no avail. The company still stood with enough of the old employees to rebuild the legacy once again. Anarchy is such a fragile thing, one minute you are burning bridges and buildings next you have to look around and evaluate what you've been doing.
The company has successfully managed to avoid disaster by firing all the anarchists. Friend and Elunejd have both been offered some cushy promotions befitting the loyalty they have shown to the company.
Milktoffee was:
Anarchist Disguiser
You are part of anarchists inside Emporium ltd. Who want to change the way things are run, and the only way you can do that is through firing everyone and starting over. Thankfully you know someone higher up in the news company who can pull a few strings. You managed to agree that you should get rid of Larry first, his hardworking nature lost at the company would surely mean its demise.
In addition to being part of the anarchists faction you are a disguiser by trade. You excel in costume creation and enjoy capturing the likeness of other people as well. This may come in handy when it comes to framing other people and getting rid of them from the company.
You have the following abilities:
You can visit people each night and change their appearance. The first person you visit you capture their likeness while the second you express that likeness onto them changing what they look like to other people.
You have a quick topic with your other anarchists, it seems others at the company share your point of view. Maybe if you work together you can overthrow everything that you hate and start over.
Victory Condition:
You win when there are only Anarchists working at the company, or the number of Anarchists equals the number of non-anarchists
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Post by bingo on Aug 24, 2020 16:23:19 GMT
That is a town victory
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Post by bingo on Aug 24, 2020 16:24:56 GMT
The other roles were:
Friend:
Loyal Gossiper
You know all the players in all the games and love the thrill of telling people about it. If something big is about to happen you know where, when and who is involved before them do. Although even you didn’t know that Larry was getting fired. What’s up with that? Better get snooping and see what you can find.
You have the following abilities:
Each night you choose someone and give them a piece of information. You can choose whatever you like to say, just make your words count and choose wisely.
Victory condition:
You win if all the anarchists are fired, If you manage to get them all then who knows, maybe you’ll get a promotion.
Elunejd:
Communist Source
You like a little bit of everything. Not content with the current state of affairs you want a more balanced approach to the company. In your eyes there is a place for anarchy and there always will be, so long as there is always someone to rebuff it.
Thankfully during your time at the company you’ve got to know some pretty powerful people. Not powerful enough to fire anyone, those guys are scary, but some powerful people all the same.
You have the following abilities:
You are immune from being fired once, your friend higher up can make sure of that.
He also will allow you to keep a friend working with you, someone you trust, from being fired.
You also will have a quick topic with some reporter friends of yours. You don’t know their names and why would you want to, leaking information like this to anyone can be costly but thankfully you got in touch anonymously and it should probably stay that way or things could go bad quick.
You choose 3 people per night and get to know if they visited anyone.
Victory Condition:
You win if and only if there is 1 anarchist and 1 loyalist left at the end of the game. Better use those abilities you got wisely.
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Post by bingo on Aug 24, 2020 16:32:03 GMT
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Post by bingo on Aug 24, 2020 16:32:32 GMT
If anyone has any questions about the game, let me know and i will try and answer them
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Post by bingo on Aug 24, 2020 16:37:26 GMT
It is also a 3rd party victory for Elunejd
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Post by Milktoffee on Aug 24, 2020 16:37:58 GMT
Well played Friend and Elunejd!
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Post by bingo on Aug 24, 2020 16:43:18 GMT
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Post by elunedj on Aug 24, 2020 16:44:16 GMT
gg
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Post by Milktoffee on Aug 24, 2020 17:38:58 GMT
I was never a true bus driver, though to be honest I never really understood my role either.
I just claimed bus driver as I thought that was the closest possible role that I could somewhat ‘prove’. I did try not to outright lie throughout most of my claims (other than stuff like claiming town). For instance, I did indeed target myself and Friend that night.
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Post by Joel of Lander on Aug 24, 2020 18:08:15 GMT
There were 0 anarchists and 1 loyalist alive at the end of the game, so why does the communist source win?
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Post by Benjamin on Aug 24, 2020 18:39:21 GMT
'At the end of the game' and 'At any point in the game' are very different things. The setup might have worked if the original win condition was in place but changing it from the stated one made that role basically by far the most important thing in the game.
Looks like this setup was basically always going to come down to the neutral kingmaker who can't really lose the game no matter how badly they play under the current setup (while also being able to pick the winner in the majority of scenarios). As a side note, in most scenarios town use up their only mislynch by lynching an anti-town player.
Also, unless I'm missing something, town can lose the game even if they play perfectly during the day phases/kill mafia day 1: Assuming Hannah's role and one town die n1, town vote off mafia, mafia successfully kills a player leaving 4 alive. Eluned's role refuses to vote here (and knows who's mafia here) so town eliminate or no eliminate followed by a kill. If Eluned sides with mafia town lose despite lynching mafia whenever they possibly could.
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Post by bingo on Aug 24, 2020 21:54:20 GMT
There were 0 anarchists and 1 loyalist alive at the end of the game, so why does the communist source win? Then the communist can never win, it is clear i meant in addition here
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Post by bingo on Aug 24, 2020 21:55:18 GMT
'At the end of the game' and 'At any point in the game' are very different things. The setup might have worked if the original win condition was in place but changing it from the stated one made that role basically by far the most important thing in the game. Looks like this setup was basically always going to come down to the neutral kingmaker who can't really lose the game no matter how badly they play under the current setup (while also being able to pick the winner in the majority of scenarios). As a side note, in most scenarios town use up their only mislynch by lynching an anti-town player. Also, unless I'm missing something, town can lose the game even if they play perfectly during the day phases/kill mafia day 1: Assuming Hannah's role and one town die n1, town vote off mafia, mafia successfully kills a player leaving 4 alive. Eluned's role refuses to vote here (and knows who's mafia here) so town eliminate or no eliminate followed by a kill. If Eluned sides with mafia town lose despite lynching mafia whenever they possibly could. How does the first win condition change from the second?
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Post by bingo on Aug 24, 2020 21:58:16 GMT
If anyone has any questions about the game, let me know and i will try and answer them Who was shot N2? Was Milktofee a regular bus driver? Who did she busdrive? Was she allowed to also perform the nightkill if Elements is alive? Was Elunedj immune from lynches, nightkills or both? How does the choosing a friend to protect them work? N2 Eluned was shot, she was immune only to the night kill once. Milktoffee's role allowed her to change the appearance of people doing their night actions, ie if Milktoffee was to choose 2 people the 1st would have the action of the second and the second of the first but wouldn't effect any abilities or actions effecting either target The choosing a friend to protect is a doctor heal
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Post by bingo on Aug 24, 2020 21:59:16 GMT
I think the neutral role was way overpowered. Eluned was the only person really playing the game and she was the one who decided who wins. The rest of us just lynched whoever she told us to and had almost no impact on the game whatsoever. Maybe this could have played out differently, but it does not seem like a good setup. Also, trackers shouldn't work the way they did this game. I agree that the neutral role is overpowered but if it had been weaker i think the game would have ended day 2
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Post by bingo on Aug 24, 2020 22:04:52 GMT
'At the end of the game' and 'At any point in the game' are very different things. The setup might have worked if the original win condition was in place but changing it from the stated one made that role basically by far the most important thing in the game. Looks like this setup was basically always going to come down to the neutral kingmaker who can't really lose the game no matter how badly they play under the current setup (while also being able to pick the winner in the majority of scenarios). As a side note, in most scenarios town use up their only mislynch by lynching an anti-town player. Also, unless I'm missing something, town can lose the game even if they play perfectly during the day phases/kill mafia day 1: Assuming Hannah's role and one town die n1, town vote off mafia, mafia successfully kills a player leaving 4 alive. Eluned's role refuses to vote here (and knows who's mafia here) so town eliminate or no eliminate followed by a kill. If Eluned sides with mafia town lose despite lynching mafia whenever they possibly could. This also assumes that mafia play perfect and don't shoot the person who outs their friend the day before.
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Post by elunedj on Aug 24, 2020 22:07:06 GMT
I think the neutral role was way overpowered. Eluned was the only person really playing the game and she was the one who decided who wins. The rest of us just lynched whoever she told us to and had almost no impact on the game whatsoever. Maybe this could have played out differently, but it does not seem like a good setup. Also, trackers shouldn't work the way they did this game. I did find this confusing. You were almost 100% not mafia due to the elements flip, as a mafia source talking to a mafia reporter is a bit of a nonsensical idea. Also there's the fact that all conflicts revolved around me and I probably should have been fired D3 and milktoffee D4 for a town win. It was quite surprising this didn't happen, but I believe a lot of town suffered a case of 100% town reading someone, when in reality a 100% not mafia read was what was called for. It's a shame almost that you were the only one pushing me strongly D3, I was quite worried it would catch on, but alas
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